Hypothetical Situation with JJ and QQ

[PhatPots]

You just sit down at 1/2 NL at a brick and mortar casino. The buy-in is $100. You sit down in MP2. 1 person limps and u look down and see JJ, you raise it to $10 (5xBB). It is folded to the button who moves all-in (For $90 more). THe limper folds and its back to you. Is this an easy fold? What about if u have QQ?

You have no reads on this player and u just sat down, so how would u play this? I would call with QQ, but I think I would fold JJ. I was discussing this with someone else.

This is small stakes and sometimes these players will go all-in with a small pocket pair because they have seen it on tv or AK. I need help with this situation and I want an explaination. I don't play NL cash games very often

Pots

Ouch, tough situation. I like you 5X raise preflop, but you most likely need to fold this. There is no reason you should risk a whole stack with no information about the bettor. For all you know, he is a rock who hasn't played a hand in 5 orbits. I'd fold and wait for a better opporunity to take advantage of this player. QQ, on the other hand...ehh, I'd like to say I'd fold this too. I just have a hard time believing an average stack would risk all of his chips to a new player at the table. On the other hand, if the raiser was short stacked, I'd call.

[FrogMouth]

At these stakes, 90% of all re-raises you see are with AA. You may see the occasional KK or AK, but generally most are afraid to play any other hand with any sort of aggression. You gotta fold those queens! (speaking from experience)

I have found the same to be true in the small stake NL games online. I wish I could figure out how to configure PT to show me every PF re-raise shown down to prove that fact. Anyone know how?

[fanmail]

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At these stakes, 90% of all re-raises you see are with AA. You may see the occasional KK or AK, but generally most are afraid to play any other hand with any sort of aggression. You gotta fold those queens! (speaking from experience)

I have found the same to be true in the small stake NL games online. I wish I could figure out how to configure PT to show me every PF re-raise shown down to prove that fact. Anyone know how?

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Unless you have a read that the villain is loose-awful, then I agree with the fold here at these limits. I don't know how many times you see a reraise preflop and if it gets to showdown, AA or KK is there, it's almost a given. I think you need to fold UNLESS you know something else about your opponent.

[Jazza]

i don't play B&M, but online i fold both of these

W/ 100xBB stacks I fold JJ at the speed of light. QQ I grumble to myself check my last keno ticket for a win and then fold it.

Also, online, I've gotten into trouble lately because I'll check my PT stats on someone and they'll be a grade A maniac say 60/20/4 and I'll talk myself into calling only to be shown KK/AA.

But in your example, it's 50xBB. I'm calling probably all the way down to TT. Comments? I think this is +EV in that if you double up you can play deeper stacks with others and it will probably score some action for you later in the game. Plus, needless to say, it is probable you have the best hand.

[theben]

i'd usually fold the JJ and consider the Q's. your standard 100NL B&M game is pretty bad, so you gotta do some thinkin on what the pusher might have.

[Matt Flynn]

jacks can be played for set equity too. i'd raise to 3-4BB instead unless they are calling with everything. or would sometimes limp if there are aggressive LAGs behind you. if there are call-whatever-is-bet-preflop players behind you, make it $20 or $30.

i don't call that all in with queens either unless the player is hyperaggressive. certainly the first time he does it he gets my respect.

[PhatPots]

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At these stakes, 90% of all re-raises you see are with AA. You may see the occasional KK or AK, but generally most are afraid to play any other hand with any sort of aggression. You gotta fold those queens! (speaking from experience)

I have found the same to be true in the small stake NL games online. I wish I could figure out how to configure PT to show me every PF re-raise shown down to prove that fact. Anyone know how?

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I just came back from Vegas and I played a lot of 1/2 NL. I found this to be very true. Almost all re-raises are with AA or KK. Sometimes u get a maniac who will have a random hand. But otherwise I fold JJ and QQ. Thanks for the great advice, I made a few great folds where I was the player said good fold and show me AA when I had JJ. It happened twice

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