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#21
08-09-2005, 05:25 PM
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Re: Results
Okay, good point.
If you think your opponent is capable of calling pre flop with hands like Ace or Queen 3, then yeah he probably won't fold to a 22 push on the flop. If he has higher standards, then I dunno - seems to me the all in w/22 on the flop might scare people away. Calling an all in with an overpair post flop with the board paired isn't a slam dunk. By not pushing, you can keep the other two customers in the hand and build up the pot. It's unlikely that both of them will have big pocket pairs, especially since the pot was unraised (and what appeared to be a shorthanded table according to original post). Thus reducing the chance that either one of them draw out and fill up to a bigger boat... and you're a favorite with your 22 to begin with. Maybe then you can push on the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] 
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#23
08-09-2005, 08:58 PM
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Gomberg, what would you do in my shoes?
This was a 10 handed table btw. I agree with gomberg that pushing 22 makes alot of sense and that is how I would play it. Villan is a very good player who would also realise best play with 22 is to go allin (althought he might do it with other hands as well), of 2+2 calibur, and pretty solid. Given all this, would you still call the bet?
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#24
08-09-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Gomberg, what would you do in my shoes?
ahnuld.
This is one of the most ridiculously easy calls I've ever seen in my life.. If you are searching for excuses to fold here, then I guarantee that your poker career is going absolutely nowhere. Anyone who lays down A-3 in your shoes here is a complete dud. Villain could have been making the move with over two dozen different hands.. A-x diamonds, Other diamonds, any pocket pair, 4-5, Weaker 3.. If you're searching for ways to find a fold here, just quit now and save yourself the stress of losing sessions.
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#25
08-10-2005, 09:13 AM
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Re: Gomberg, what would you do in my shoes?
Yeah, without a rock solid read, I'd still call but would expect to see 22 a lot of the times I called. The reason being that if he is making a huge move with OESFD or a worse 3, it would be a terrible fold - while if he has 22, you still have a decent sized draw w/ two cards to come to overfill him. Plus you could easily be tied. It's just one of those times you will almost certainly put it in...
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#26
08-10-2005, 09:38 AM
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Re: Results
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Im surprised noone else agrees. [/ QUOTE ] lets analyze your post: Facts: nobody agrees with you Therefore Either: 1. everyone is wrong or 2. you are wrong tyhe point is, for a solid player to post this, he almost has to be joking. fim ps- post in the right forum next time
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#28
08-10-2005, 11:25 AM
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Re: Results
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Im surprised noone else agrees. [/ QUOTE ] lets analyze your post: Facts: nobody agrees with you Therefore Either: 1. everyone is wrong or 2. you are wrong tyhe point is, for a solid player to post this, he almost has to be joking. fim ps- post in the right forum next time [/ QUOTE ] I am trying to become a better player, I am already a winning player but recognise some flaws in my game. I did call and got lucky to win so I was making sure this wasnt a leak in my game. After this post, I learned alot about a strong hand like this and will now have no problem should the problem arise in the future, so this thread was very usefull to me. I neevr said I was right, just surprised, but I am happy to now understand the correct approach. P.S What forum should this be in? 2-4 is labeled for mhnl
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#29
08-10-2005, 11:36 AM
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Re: Another easy fold of second nuts?
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So what else can you think of that villan would do this with? Just becuase I have a strong hand doesnt mean I have to call. Logically lets try to think of the hands villan might have. 2,3 suited is very unlikly. A3 is a possibility as is 22. 45 of diamonds is possible, but I doubt villan would play his hand that way. So then why do I have to call? [/ QUOTE ] Because of all the other hands he could have that you didn't list.
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#30
08-10-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: Another easy fold of second nuts?
Yep
44, 55, 66, 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA (Less unlikely towards the high pairs, but I've seen them slowplayed before, they are certaintly possible). I'd rate 44-77 as VERY VERY possible. A-x diamond (10 more hands) Any Weak 3 (less likely, but certaintly possible and not unrealistic) (10 more hands, A-3 for a split). Throw in 4-5 and a varied of other possible diamond combinations.. There's 30+ possible hands that he could have here. The way he played it, I would rate 2-2 at the VERY VERY low end of the totem pole.. The way it was played, I would say villain has a mid pocket pair 4-4, 5-5, 6-6, 7-7 about 50% of the time, A-x Diamonds 35% of the time, A weaker 3 10% of the time, and 2-2 less than 5%.
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