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08-09-2005, 02:09 PM
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What is the Correct Ruling?
What is the Correct Ruling?
At a recent home game, there were two people left in a hand on the turn with a board of Ad 4c 6d 9s. Player One bet, and while Player Two was thinking, the dealer thought he said call (he didn’t), and burned one and turned over the river card, which was the 8s. Consensus was that the hand should continue because it was clear that Player Two had not yet acted. However, we weren’t sure how we should continue the hand if Player Two called or raised. The options that we came up with at the time were : 1) Put the burn card and the 8s back in the deck, re-shuffle, and burn-turn. 2) Turn over the next card. 3) Burn another and turn. 4) Use the burn card as the river card. Consensus was that we should just turn over the next card. Player Two said all-in. Player One called. Player One showed 3d 5d, and Player Two showed Ac As. The river completed the flush. What is the correct ruling in this situation? I’m pretty sure that Option 1 is the best. 
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#2
08-09-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
#1 is correct
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#3
08-09-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
#1, except we don't shuffle the burn card back in, and don't burn the 2nd time.
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#4
08-09-2005, 02:35 PM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
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#1, except we don't shuffle the burn card back in, and don't burn the 2nd time. [/ QUOTE ] and you leave the orginal burn card out of the reshuffle. That card has already served it's purpose.
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#6
08-09-2005, 03:36 PM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] #1, except we don't shuffle the burn card back in, and don't burn the 2nd time. [/ QUOTE ] and you leave the orginal burn card out of the reshuffle. That card has already served it's purpose. [/ QUOTE ]
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08-09-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] #1, except we don't shuffle the burn card back in, and don't burn the 2nd time. [/ QUOTE ] and you leave the orginal burn card out of the reshuffle. That card has already served it's purpose. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, except, the burn card is left out... **playing dumb** actually, for some reason, I missed the middle of that, but thanks for letting everyone know that you were correctest, we appreciate it.
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#8
08-10-2005, 10:20 AM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
Actually, it's none of the above. The correct procedure is quoted from Roberts Rules:
"If the dealer turns the fourth card on the board before the betting round is complete, the card is taken out of play for that round, even if subsequent players elect to fold. The betting is then completed. The dealer burns and turns what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and turns the final card without burning a card. If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner." This allows the hand to be completed by changing only one of the cards that would have appeared in the hand had the mistake not occured. If you shuffle the early turn card back into the deck then both the turn and the river card be different.
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#9
08-10-2005, 10:25 AM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
I agree that this is the most correct answer. Now, do the casinos actually follow this procedure?
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#10
08-10-2005, 11:43 AM
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Re: What is the Correct Ruling?
I was playing in a $5000 NL Holdem Tourney at Foxwoods and saw the same thing happen. I wasn't in the hand, but I thought one of the guys in the hand was going to strangle the dealer.
The card was put back in the deck and shuffled.
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