Another easy fold of second nuts?

ahnuld · #1 08-09-2005, 10:40 AM

PLaying 2-4 nl pn Prima. I just sat down, but villans in this hand are both generally solid, aggresive, winning players.

I limp in mp2 with A3 suited after 1 limper. Villan Limpers in the CO. Flop comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Limper bets out 16, this could be a flush draw, so I raise to 48. Im assuming the hand ends there but then the CO moves allin for 320 extra. If he did this with a draw, which I doubt, it would have the be the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I have never seen villan get outta line in an unraised pot like this. Is there any way I can call this bet?

capone0 · #2 08-09-2005, 10:42 AM

22, 32 are the only hands that beat you, 45d and a4d or diamonds are also a possiblity. 3rd nuts, you probally have to call.

slickpoppa · #3 08-09-2005, 10:50 AM

No way you can fold this. I doubt he would play 22 this way, since he would want you to hit a flush

Goodie54 · #4 08-09-2005, 11:49 AM

First of all, you have the third nuts, second of all, this is an easy call, not an easy fold. I can think of a number of hands that would play like this, none of which have you beat. 22 is the only reasonable hand for the villian to have, and I just can't see him playing 22 this way. If he does have 22, so be it, but I can't imagine finding a fold here.

Peace

Goodie

ahnuld · #5 08-09-2005, 12:14 PM

22 is the only reasonable hand for the villian to have, and I just can't see him playing 22 this way. If he does have 22, so be it, but I can't imagine finding a fold here.

So what else can you think of that villan would do this with? Just becuase I have a strong hand doesnt mean I have to call. Logically lets try to think of the hands villan might have. 2,3 suited is very unlikly. A3 is a possibility as is 22. 45 of diamonds is possible, but I doubt villan would play his hand that way. So then why do I have to call?

captZEEbo1 · #6 08-09-2005, 12:26 PM

he could have like 55 and think you have a flush draw or weaker 3. PUSH

luckOverSkill · #7 08-09-2005, 01:03 PM

Hmmm... Villain could have anything given the discounted
entry fee.

Having said that...

For him to move in like this after a bet and a raise,
well to me that signals that he's connected with the
flop and has a draw to improve his hand. It's possible
he may even have A3 like you except with an A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
(you didn't say you had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) or even A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4.
If you're ahead on the flop, your hand is vulnerable
given the action.

You may call if you feel like gambling, but it depends
on the expectation of course (I'm not familiar with
the odds for the given hand ranges off the top of my
head). I think you may be a bit of a dog here. You
mention that your opponents are good players... I would
lean toward folding here, but a call isn't the end of
the world. That's the problem with unraised pots.
Cheers.

Goodie54 · #8 08-09-2005, 01:51 PM

Many different hands he could have, 45 of diamonds, A 4 or 5 of diamonds. What about a wierdly played AA or KK? He may even have a medium pair and put you on a flush draw.

What about a worse three? You don't think that's a possibility in a limped pot?

Too many possibilities to fold. I'm guessing you ran into 22 this time by the tone of your posts but that doesn't mean that your call was wrong.

Peace

Goodie

ahnuld · #9 08-09-2005, 01:58 PM

Well he did have 22, and I knew it. But for some reason, (i think iv been playing too much omaha) I thought my odds of improving were 40% so I called anyways and spiked the A on the turn like im suposed to. But tyhe point is, for a solid player to do this, he almost has to have exactly 22 here. Im surprised noone else agrees.

BobboFitos · #10 08-09-2005, 02:05 PM

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Well he did have 22, and I knew it. But for some reason, (i think iv been playing too much omaha) I thought my odds of improving were 40% so I called anyways and spiked the A on the turn like im suposed to. But tyhe point is, for a solid player to do this, he almost has to have exactly 22 here. Im surprised noone else agrees.

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because this is not true.