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#11
08-09-2005, 05:12 AM
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Re: River bet
What about flop? Is checking a more correct decision here, leaving the betting to PFR?
Me betting into a PFR signals I hit something, so his two overcards (in case he has them) are not that hot anymore, in which case he should call. Reraise by me is pretty standard, right? 
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#12
08-09-2005, 05:25 AM
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Re: River bet
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Me betting into a PFR signals I hit something, so his two overcards (in case he has them) are not that hot anymore, in which case he should call. [/ QUOTE ] Or it means that you are donk betting a flush draw. A bet into a raiser doesn't mean necessarily anything. [ QUOTE ] Reraise by me is pretty standard, right? [/ QUOTE ] Since you got UTG and UTG 1 to come along, you are getting a little value to 3 bet. Seriously though, I think you are looking at this hand the total wrong way. You assumed that he had overs because of how the hand turned out, not when the hand was in progress. You could have been donk betting into AA, KK, or a set, and drawing to less outs then you think. Don't be results oriented. Your river bet with ace high worked there, but if you try this too much you will lose money.
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#14
08-09-2005, 07:10 AM
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Re: River bet
I would check/raise this flop rather than letting the button blast the field for two.
I don't like the river bet.
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#16
08-09-2005, 08:52 AM
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Re: River bet
I dont like the 3 bet flop on your flush draw, your getting good odds with all the callers , but you got terribly lucky that the turn got checked through, it wont happen often, you were oop to get a freebie, so dont 3 bet that. The river bet is bad, nobody is folding here, and your beat, even if A10 calls...
CDL
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#17
08-09-2005, 09:32 AM
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Re: River bet
Equity, Equity, Equity. That is an automatic 3-bet given the number of players.
Forget about free card plays and turn actions. Just follow the simple math. With your flush draw you have 35% equity on the flop. Thus on the flop you expect to win 35% of all the put into the pot. You are putting 25% (4 players) of the money in, thus 10% of the total amount that goes into the pot on theflop is theoretical profit for you. Example: Assume a $.25/.50 game On the flop you bet $0.25 and are called by three players. With 35% equity (the equity of 9 out draw = flush draw) of the $1.00 that went into the pot you expect to Win $0.35 ($0.35 [Your Expected Win] - $0.25 [Your bet] = $0.10 Profit What if on the flop you bet $0.25 and its raised to $0.50 and all three players call. With 35% equity (the equity of flush draw) of the $2.00 that went into the pot you expect to Win $0.70 ($0.70 [Your Expected Win] - $0.50 [Your bet] = $0.20 Profit So for every bet that goes in on the flop when there is 3 or more players (3 players means you are putting 33% of the money into the pot. If you put 33% into the pot and your equity is 35% you are still expecting a profit) you gain. That is why the 3-bet should be almost automatic Dopey [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#18
08-09-2005, 09:43 AM
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Re: River bet
Its not a horid play, but Im not a fan, yea he got the callers, but 3 bet here really risks putting out one or more of the over callers which are padding the pot for his flush draw equity as you mentioned. Ideally, if you are sure the people calling through are the loosest callers ever, you could cap but this scenario doesnt happen often...
cdl
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#19
08-09-2005, 09:45 AM
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Re: River bet
your being terribly biased by what took place! Cut off the action after the 3 bet, now is it a good move? Heres a likely scenario, u 3 bet, the callers fold to original bettor, now your heads up with a flush draw!!!
[ QUOTE ] Equity, Equity, Equity. That is an automatic 3-bet given the number of players. Forget about free card plays and turn actions. Just follow the simple math. With your flush draw you have 35% equity on the flop. Thus on the flop you expect to win 35% of all the put into the pot. You are putting 25% (4 players) of the money in, thus 10% of the total amount that goes into the pot on theflop is theoretical profit for you. Example: Assume a $.25/.50 game On the flop you bet $0.25 and are called by three players. With 35% equity (the equity of 9 out draw = flush draw) of the $1.00 that went into the pot you expect to Win $0.35 ($0.35 [Your Expected Win] - $0.25 [Your bet] = $0.10 Profit What if on the flop you bet $0.25 and its raised to $0.50 and all three players call. With 35% equity (the equity of flush draw) of the $2.00 that went into the pot you expect to Win $0.70 ($0.70 [Your Expected Win] - $0.50 [Your bet] = $0.20 Profit So for every bet that goes in on the flop when there is 3 or more players (3 players means you are putting 33% of the money into the pot. If you put 33% into the pot and your equity is 35% you are still expecting a profit) you gain. That is why the 3-bet should be almost automatic Dopey [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ]
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#20
08-09-2005, 10:04 AM
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Re: River bet
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I dont like the 3 bet flop on your flush draw, your getting good odds with all the callers , but you got terribly lucky that the turn got checked through, it wont happen often, you were oop to get a freebie, so dont 3 bet that. The river bet is bad, nobody is folding here, and your beat, even if A10 calls... CDL [/ QUOTE ] The board wasn't paired and I was drawing to the nuts, so I had ~39% pot equity. Capping this flop with 3 callers is profitable, so I was trying to do just that... Whoever called 2 cold bets on the flop already would be retarded to fold for the same amount when their pot odds increased.
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