109--Bubble play with chip lead

TheArtist · #1 08-08-2005, 05:15 PM

109 at empire
4 players blinds 150/300
Hero with A2 in sb with 3600k
small blind with 3250
UTG and Button got 1575 each
Folded to hero, Hero Push(mistake?)

Note: BB has been quite tight

Comment?

TheArtist

Jman28 · #2 08-08-2005, 05:16 PM

It looks good to me.

Unarmed · #3 08-08-2005, 05:17 PM

I dump that very quickly.
Give me something like KTs and I'll let er rip.
I see no reason to risk your tournament with 10+BB and a crappy hand.

Jman28 · #4 08-08-2005, 05:21 PM

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I dump that very quickly.
Give me something like KTs and I'll let er rip.
I see no reason to risk your tournament with 10+BB and a crappy hand.

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With BB being tight, and one less ace for him to have, my gut tells me this push is +EV.

Unarmed · #5 08-08-2005, 05:25 PM

J,

I'm not saying it isn't marginally +EV. It's just one of those situations that I definitely pass on, and I'm pretty sure it's correct to do so.

Newt_Buggs · #6 08-08-2005, 05:56 PM

I don't see why ICM would be wrong here when it says that this is a clear push.

Unarmed · #7 08-08-2005, 06:34 PM

In situations where the two med/short stacks are beside each other in the blinds I need a pretty big hand to mess with the other big stack. ICM doesn't account for the fact that these two guys are probably going to have a SB vs. BB encounter fairly soon. Perhaps this thinking is flawed.

Nottom · #8 08-08-2005, 06:55 PM

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In situations where the two med/short stacks are beside each other in the blinds I need a pretty big hand to mess with the other big stack. ICM doesn't account for the fact that these two guys are probably going to have a SB vs. BB encounter fairly soon. Perhaps this thinking is flawed.

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Unless the guy is an idiot hes not calling you 95% of the time. This is an easy push and a way to put some distance between you and the other big stack.

If the guy is tight, I wouldn't be surprised to see if you could push almost anything here.

axeshigh · #9 08-08-2005, 11:23 PM

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Unless the guy is an idiot hes not calling you 95% of the time.

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I had this happen today (a 55, not a 109 though), I pushed my A2, thinking 'unless the guy is an idiot'. He said 'well it's been fun' and called with AJo. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I busted 4th after losing another flip.

RobertC · #10 08-09-2005, 01:43 AM

If the big blind has been playing tight then wouldn't a raise of 4 or 5xBB get him to fold any hand that he would've folded to an all-in bet? Or do you believe that there are hands that he would fold to an all-in bet but would play against a raise of 4 x BB?

If you raise 4xBB he's only going to reraise with hands that you are a big underdog against. This gives you a chance to get away from the hand.

You're the chip leader with an M of 8, and the two small stacks have an M of 3.5. Is the risk of having an all-in bet called by a hand that will be more than a 2-1 favorite compensated by the additional hands that will be folded to an all-in bet but not to a 4xBB raise?