Here's a weird one

SmileyEH · #1 08-09-2005, 12:27 AM

I'm going to raise the river if the capper doesn't CR the turn, otherwise more of the same. No real reads.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls

-SmileyEH

ReadyEddie · #2 08-09-2005, 12:34 AM

Why arent you raising this turn?

SmileyEH · #3 08-09-2005, 12:37 AM

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WA/WB, scared of AA/KK, not sure if it's right though.

-SmileyEH

davet · #4 08-09-2005, 12:46 AM

Those hands you fear are each 1- 221 hands, and you are holding one of each rank, seems pretty long.

If you seek demons all the time, you will always find them where they don't exist.

At worst, you are looking at backdoor flush or straight draws, I wouldn't give MP the chance, re- raise the turn, or even the flop.

toss · #5 08-09-2005, 12:47 AM

What do you think villain will cap with PF, then lead the flop and turn?

Malcom Reynolds · #6 08-09-2005, 12:50 AM

There's only one combination of AA and one combination of KK possible. In a big pot you want MP to fold. You don't care about WA/WB really, you just want to do what you can to win the big pot and maybe put more money in with the probable best hand.

toss · #7 08-09-2005, 12:52 AM

I'd probably raise the flop to get rid of MP1. What I do next depends on whether MP1 calls or not.

Moozh · #8 08-09-2005, 12:55 AM

There is no 'way behind' here. AA and KK are so remote when you can account for the other two you shouldn't be worried about that.

To put it in perspective, AA and KK each have 1 combination possible. AK on the other hand has 4. QQ has 6, JJ has 6, and TT has 6.

Now I actually don't mind the turn call, but I like it to keep a QQ or JJ in the hand since a turn raise might scare them away. The reason you would raise the turn is if you feared either of the players had flush outs to beat you, or if you'd think they'd call down anyway. Otherwise, I like raising the river.

Edit: also, by calling the turn you're nearly giving QJ, QT, and JT odds for their gutshot.

baronzeus · #9 08-09-2005, 12:57 AM

Note that MP2 didn't cap preflop here. Not raising this turn is bad, since you are ahead or splitting 99% of the time.

SmileyEH · #10 08-09-2005, 12:58 AM

I dont think hands I'm way ahead of will ever call 2 cold on the turn.

-SmileyEH