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08-06-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
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I like bumping it up big if MP plays well, other than his rockishness. By limp-coldcalling and then staying in the hand postflop, you're representing at least AK. If he's good, I think you lose him on the turn if he has AK. Even if he isn't good, I like checking the flop and seeing what bad player does. When you bet out full pot after limp-coldcalling, you're giving off a lot of strength. [/ QUOTE ] I agree to this. Either you have given me wrong idea about MP or i have missunderstood the read ( i might just be plain dumb ) Would really a player like MP call down all the way with AK, wouldnt he test is strenght? Is he more likely to raise with Kings than AK on flop or on turn ? Would he really call with AK when flush hits, the only hand i see him beating before the river is flushdraw. Unless you think he would go out of line to get a split pot ? Thats why i must ask, may seem abit stupid. Are you bluffing on the river to make him think you have set, so hey fold the flush ? So i dont see the point of playing the hand this way, i would like the play if you knew he had AA too. I really like checking the flop instead of betting out, trying to get it allin on turn. Unless someone are screaming SET. My big point is, when playing this way: Can MP really put you on somehting worse than AK ? You cant beat anything else than AK. 
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#12
08-06-2005, 07:38 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
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I like bumping it up big if MP plays well, other than his rockishness. By limp-coldcalling and then staying in the hand postflop, you're representing at least AK. If he's good, I think you lose him on the turn if he has AK. Even if he isn't good, I like checking the flop and seeing what bad player does. When you bet out full pot after limp-coldcalling, you're giving off a lot of strength. [/ QUOTE ] I'll ask again: what hand can he call a limp/threebet with besides AA? fim
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#13
08-06-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
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I'll ask again: what hand can he call a limp/threebet with besides AA? fim [/ QUOTE ] That comes down to how MP reads you, do u NEVER bluff that way ? i know i do. but if you usually dont play with villian that doesnt help much.
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#14
08-06-2005, 07:52 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
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[ QUOTE ] I'll ask again: what hand can he call a limp/threebet with besides AA? fim [/ QUOTE ] That comes down to how MP reads you, do u NEVER bluff that way ? i know i do. but if you usually dont play with villian that doesnt help much. [/ QUOTE ] wait, so if you hold, say 55, someone raises, a rock threebets hard and it's back to you, you sometimes come back over the top big as a bluff? fim
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#15
08-06-2005, 07:59 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'll ask again: what hand can he call a limp/threebet with besides AA? fim [/ QUOTE ] That comes down to how MP reads you, do u NEVER bluff that way ? i know i do. but if you usually dont play with villian that doesnt help much. [/ QUOTE ] wait, so if you hold, say 55, someone raises, a rock threebets hard and it's back to you, you sometimes come back over the top big as a bluff? fim [/ QUOTE ] If i know the situation is right... I know for a fact here that a loose raiser raised, here MP can make his re-reaise with many hands alot of them which he cant call with if i come over the top. So in this situation i might take a stab at it if i had 55 or 67s. if he calls i need to hit something and if he comes over the top ofcourse i laydown my hand. A rock will usually just call with AA right ? Its perfect for stealing. If MP is good he will realise that but you said he was weak so he will usually lay down his hand. But if you think he might call why not raise there with AA ? but what i think edge is saying is which i strongly agree too: Not leading this flop, instead trying to get it allin on turn. if u doesnt suspect a stronger hand.
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#16
08-06-2005, 09:51 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'll ask again: what hand can he call a limp/threebet with besides AA? fim [/ QUOTE ] That comes down to how MP reads you, do u NEVER bluff that way ? i know i do. but if you usually dont play with villian that doesnt help much. [/ QUOTE ] wait, so if you hold, say 55, someone raises, a rock threebets hard and it's back to you, you sometimes come back over the top big as a bluff? fim [/ QUOTE ] If i know the situation is right... I know for a fact here that a loose raiser raised, here MP can make his re-reaise with many hands alot of them which he cant call with if i come over the top. So in this situation i might take a stab at it if i had 55 or 67s. if he calls i need to hit something and if he comes over the top ofcourse i laydown my hand. A rock will usually just call with AA right ? Its perfect for stealing. If MP is good he will realise that but you said he was weak so he will usually lay down his hand. But if you think he might call why not raise there with AA ? but what i think edge is saying is which i strongly agree too: Not leading this flop, instead trying to get it allin on turn. if u doesnt suspect a stronger hand. [/ QUOTE ] this is so wrong it's funny. especially this part: [ QUOTE ] A rock will usually just call with AA right ? Its perfect for stealing. [/ QUOTE ] good one, you keep restealing here. fim
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#17
08-06-2005, 10:12 PM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
Fim im sorry my english isnt the best. Im truly am.
Im sorry you feel offended cause i didnt like the way you played the hand. Im totally amazed you start discussin if its possible to steal here if u had 56s or 55, instead of talking about the hand. Cant you plz join the discussion about the real hand instead of getting hostile about me not liking the way you played it. The sentence should ofcourse be: A rock will usually call with AA ONLY right ? Its perfect for stealing. And no i dont think i was that wrong about my assumptions. But as i said, can you plz answer all the other things i had to say, instead of starting another discussion.
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#18
08-07-2005, 01:54 AM
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Re: Mundane? AA played as pre-flopped set 5/10
I make the big 3-raise to end the hand if Villain is good and make him pay to crack my hand. Obviously I have AA or KK 95% of the time, but limp-coldcalling and then staying beyond the flop signals a lot of strength. If you're willing to make a huge move on the flop after limp-coldcalling, all the power to you, but the huge majority of players won't.
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