Turn re-raise from villian on missed flop

[Joe Taylor]

This situation seems to be coming up quite frequently in my games lately, so I thought I would post and get a feel for how other people are handling it.

Party 2/4. An example hand, but the details sometimes vary. I'll get a hand like AQo, and open-raise from UTG+2. It will fold to Villian (example stats - 22/8/1.9 - it varies a bit), who is in either MP3 or CO, who will cold-call the raise. Button, blinds fold.

Flop comes down KJ3, rainbow. Missed my two overcards, but of course I lead out, villian calls.

Turn comes rag, I lead out again, villian raises.

What's your play?

I've been folding a lot here, but in the times I've been annoyed and called down (when the same person has done it a couple of times), I've seen everything from AK, KQ (reasonable, I suppose) to hands like 88, which just boggles my mind.

[RiverTheNuts]

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This situation seems to be coming up quite frequently in my games lately, so I thought I would post and get a feel for how other people are handling it.

Party 2/4. An example hand, but the details sometimes vary. I'll get a hand like AQo, and open-raise from UTG+2. It will fold to Villian (example stats - 22/8/1.9 - it varies a bit), who is in either MP3 or CO, who will cold-call the raise. Button, blinds fold.

Flop comes down KJ3, rainbow. Missed my two overcards, but of course I lead out, villian calls.

Turn comes rag, I lead out again, villian raises.

What's your play?

I've been folding a lot here, but in the times I've been annoyed and called down (when the same person has done it a couple of times), I've seen everything from AK, KQ (reasonable, I suppose) to hands like 88, which just boggles my mind.

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Sometimes on a board like this I check/raise the flop... this either gets you a free card or makes villian slow way down with anything less than AK/KK/JJ/KJ. I then lead the turn, folding to a raise, and check/fold the river UI

[chief444]

I'll use this play a lot...I was just discussing this play with Qtip. But I'd fold the flop with 88 if I coldcalled. I'd probably 3-bet preflop with 88 here also unless there's a bunch of loose players behind me then I'll coldcall. If you're tighter preflop with your raising range I'll muck. But anyway...to answer your question...it depends on the person. If it were me though the only hand I may play this way in this situation is AJs...if I think you'll lay down another AJ or QQ and also if you'll give me a free showdown with bigger hands like AK/AA and if when you 3-bet it means I can fold and if you'll always continue betting A-high. But on the other hand...I also use this line with bigger hands like a flopped set to get more money in on the big streets. I don't know if that helps at all. A lot of how I play this situation though if I were your opponent depends on your own stats.

[Joe Taylor]

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A lot of how I play this situation though if I were your opponent depends on your own stats.

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On a normal day, I'm usually around 19/8.5/2.5. It would make sense that it would be dependent on the type of opponent that you are up against.

Of course, this could also be just one big anomaly as well - I've only been running into it a lot in the last couple of weeks.

3-betting a medium pocket pair against an early position TAG is an interesting play, hadn't really thought too much about that.

[Klepton]

i would call this turn knowing that an A or a T is good. i would also go for the c/r. i would fold UI

[Jake (The Snake)]

In this particular case your gutshot and ace outs give you enough to make the call.

In general though, turn raises against preflop raisers who have shown nothing but strength (like you have) generally mean the opponent has something. So usually folding is ok. If the board was K93 for instance, you should probably fold.