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[ILL34GL3]

True. And that makes the evidence even more damning. Outfits like that are much more exclusive to prisons than jumpsuits, which are commonly worn by construction workers and such.

[Vince Young]

I didn't realize the military issued silk orange suits to prisoners. He's wearing a kurta, not a military jumpsuit.

[ILL34GL3]

Het look everybody! It's Timothy McVeigh in federal custody wearing a "kurta":

Here's a pic from abu ghraib that's kind of gross so linked.

Done playing show and tell. Look for yourself. THINK!

[Vince Young]

1) What Timothy McVeigh's wearing is not even close to silk.

2) The outfit in the photo you linked to looks much more like velour or something similar than silk. It's also a much lighter orange.

Good post.

[Vince Young]

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Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.

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Source? Who are these arab linguists?

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Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity.

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It's not even known whether he really has a prosthetic leg, let alone how he faired with it.

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As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.

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Ok. He may have been dead. So?

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The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb.

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Already addressed.

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Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.

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Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands.

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With the low quality of the video, this is definitely reaching.

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The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore.

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Again, this doesn't indicate a conspiracy.

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The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape.

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Yeah, the fuc[/i]king CIA is much more likely to "amateurishly" add a scream to a tape than terrorists operating out of a hole in the wall.

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The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg.

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Yeah, that makes much more sense than just making the statement "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" in the first place.

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Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?

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Who said they were Iraqi? Isn't Zarqawi Jordanian?

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Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s.

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Pathetic.

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The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law.

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Yeah, so is murder...

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The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying.

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I vote the email was bogus.

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The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best.

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I have to think that if the military had a standard chair, it wouldn't be a cheap ass plastic one that millions of people have in their backyards.

[ILL34GL3]

The Washington Post says the videos were tweaked because of the low-lighting. It's amazing you can pick out fabric types with such conditions. It's also amazing that you use the argument of low video quality to argue against the simple fact that some of the executioner's hands are pasty white, and at the same time claim you can pick out fabric types in the same low quality video. Do you see what's wrong with this line of thinking? Flesh color vs. fabric type. Which is more difficult to define?

Anyway, with reports that have come out about treatment in Abu Ghraib, is it such a stretch that prison officials would put prisoners in silk when that fabric is forbidden for males to wear by the Quaran?

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I have to think that if the military had a standard chair, it wouldn't be a cheap ass plastic one that millions of people have in their backyards.

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[Lazymeatball]

if you are making the argument that the video is too grainy to point out fabric type, then you must admit that you cannot draw the conclusion that he is wearing a standard issue US military jumpsuit, opening up the possibility that he is wearing a kurta, or whatever.

[ChipWrecked]

Why are these terrorist videos always so grainy anyway? Even the lowest end camcorders do a hell of a lot better than what we see in their horseshit videos.

[Oski]

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1) What Timothy McVeigh's wearing is not even close to silk.

2) The outfit in the photo you linked to looks much more like velour or something similar than silk. It's also a much lighter orange.

Good post.

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Anyway, a lot of prisoners are forced to wear orange; those Sooners fans sure have a sick sense of humor.

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Just your standard lawnchair that you get at your neighborhood Walmart in Iraq.

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You really don't think they have those chairs in Iraq? Your copy and pasted arguments are garbage and full of holes. Many of which my son Vince has just pointed out.