Open Limping? (I know preflop questions are gay) - Page 3

nomadtla · #21 08-04-2005, 04:40 PM

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Preflop questions are fine in any forum, as long as they are good. And yours is fine.

Some notes for UB tables: Don't play hands like KJo and ATo in EP. Don't even bother with suited connectors or mid-low pairs. Steal with a large majority of your holdings.

KJs, AJo, KQo, and ATs are also not worth EP limp/raise IMO. People on UB are weak tight, and will generally only call with a dominating hand, and it will cost you a ton of money in the long run.

My advice: Raise any strong hand (AQ+, 99+) first in, every time. Play all these hands very aggressively, since you will usually be HU and you can win UI most of the time.

Good luck. UB is tough, and the only site that I was an overall loser on (2/4 full, 2000 hands)

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Thank you very much sir. Your post makes me feel a little better about my break even poker. Would moving to a different site be a better option or will learning how to beat these kinds of tables strengthen me more

Henke · #22 08-04-2005, 04:42 PM

Okay, I confess, I'm a LAG and i just love these kinds of tables! Anyway, I have some questions/comments about your hand selection...

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"higher end of these EP limps (KJs, ATs, AJo, KQo)"
these are all pretty much fundamental raises for me in EP at loose tables and tables you describe here.

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Are you talking about when the opponents are weak tight post flop? Would this change if it was a tight table pf, but somewhat loose postflop?

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"lower end (JTs, QTs, 88 77)"
JTs and QTs, yeah, i'd fold them maybe i'd raise QTs.
88 and 77 I'd raise them (definitely 88, maybe not 77)

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This is interesting, I would do it the other way around (probably fold QTs, but sometimes raise JTs. I would actually prefer T9s. This idea is party borrowed from HPfAP ("If your EP raises are getting too much respect, sometimes raise with a hand such as JTs"). But the idea I have is that I'm slightly more likely to be called by a dominating hand with QTs than with T9s. Or put it another way, if I hit and get called, I'm probably more likely to win with T9s than QTs at this kind of table... And, last but not least, the connected hand will like maybe as much as 30% more flops than QTs.

baronzeus · #23 08-04-2005, 04:47 PM

Don't bother with UB IMO. If you're gonna play there, play with VPIP of like 13 and play aggressively and you will crush them. My VPIP was around 20 and I found that most of the money I lost was to domination and bigger PPs.

But UB isn't a good sample of poker ring games anywhere. Whether you're in a casino, or playing 15/30 full on party, the games are considerably looser and the players are far more aggressive. I suggest playing PokerStars short handed, or Party Full ring/SH. Those are by far the best/loosest micro limit games online.

Henke · #24 08-04-2005, 05:10 PM

(Sorry 'bout the thread hijack)

How are the PS 1-2 SH tables compared to partys?

baronzeus · #25 08-04-2005, 05:14 PM

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(Sorry 'bout the thread hijack)

How are the PS 1-2 SH tables compared to partys?

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Crushable. (both)

nomadtla · #26 08-04-2005, 05:31 PM

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Don't bother with UB IMO. If you're gonna play there, play with VPIP of like 13 and play aggressively and you will crush them. My VPIP was around 20 and I found that most of the money I lost was to domination and bigger PPs.

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I thought it might be that bad but a VPIP of 13 I assume your serious. I know a lot of my losses seem to come from the same things. I didn't realize how weak tight it truly was thank you again. I've been thinking about going elsewhere since I see where most of the people here play. For one I'd like to play with you guys (like the KOTKP tournament and 2+2 tables). And for 2 I noticed a lot of the party and stars people crushing games for up to 3x more BB/100 then I am.

WSOP Bound · #27 08-04-2005, 05:53 PM

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Don't bother with UB IMO.

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I understand where you are coming from, but I tend to like it for what I am looking for. I can and have crushed the party 1/2 and 2/4 games before a financial circumstance caused me to withdrawl my entire bankroll. What I'm looking for at this point is tough games where I can learn how to play against decent opponents, not easy money. They certainly have their problems with the weak-tight tendencies, but as far as I can tell the UB opponents are about as solid as it gets for .25/.50 poker.

baronzeus · #28 08-04-2005, 06:04 PM

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Don't bother with UB IMO.

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I understand where you are coming from, but I tend to like it for what I am looking for. I can and have crushed the party 1/2 and 2/4 games before a financial circumstance caused me to withdrawl my entire bankroll. What I'm looking for at this point is tough games where I can learn how to play against decent opponents, not easy money. They certainly have their problems with the weak-tight tendencies, but as far as I can tell the UB opponents are about as solid as it gets for .25/.50 poker.

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Maybe.

But "tight" is not the same as "solid". Anyone can follow a preflop chart. I could give it to a fish and he'd lose less money.

There's no point in learning against weak tighties. Almost every level you move up to will be more aggressive than the previous level, and if you ever play short handed, adjusting from playing weaktight players to playing loose aggressive players will be devastating.

This also does nothing to improve your hand reading skills. No one on UB will ever do anything to test you. Either they are ahead and they bet/call or they are behind and they fold.

snowlarbear · #29 08-04-2005, 06:12 PM

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(Sorry 'bout the thread hijack)

How are the PS 1-2 SH tables compared to partys?

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FWIW:

recently i joined party after playing the micro limits at UB for maybe 6 months.

at UB i would grind it out on the .5/1 table for maybe 1-2bb/hour. just trying to clear bonus now, and then i think i am out of there for good.

PP, on a whim i started at the 1/2 tables and i have made about 10BB/hour each session. i'm sure i am getting lucky, but from what i can tell the games at PP are indeed much looser than UB, and the players are much worse. only complaint is that the software isn't as good as UB.

just what i've observed in the past 2 weeks.

WSOP Bound · #30 08-04-2005, 06:47 PM

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But "tight" is not the same as "solid". Anyone can follow a preflop chart. I could give it to a fish and he'd lose less money.

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I agree 100%, but there are not going to be that many truly solid players in any game less than 2/4 (and not even so much there).