Advice on Moving Beyond 30/60 Online - Page 7

Jailhouse · #61 08-02-2005, 10:01 AM

You can make more money when you move up to 50-100 and beyond but it will most likely take a big investment of money and emotional stress on your part before you learn how to beat it. Those games (for the most part) play differently than 30-60 and below and you need to learn and recognize the new tricks. This cost me A LOT of money at first and destroyed any ego I had, but IMO, that learning process is worth the stress. But prepared to get slapped around pretty badly at first.
-J-house

Turning Stone Pro · #62 08-02-2005, 10:12 AM

It's sad because I know that if my damn ego could handle it, i could sit in the PP 15 6max or the 30 full table and make what most would consider a very nice hourly rate with little long term risk and a nice, relaxing way to spend the evenings.

Problem is, I feel the need to tangle with the top players sitting in the big PP games. So far, not too bad, but a bad run of cards could result in a 20k-30k weekly downswing, which is a lot of $ and represents a lot of hard work and long hours at the smaller limits.

TSP

Jailhouse · #63 08-02-2005, 10:25 AM

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It's sad because I know that if my damn ego could handle it, i could sit in the PP 15 6max or the 30 full table and make what most would consider a very nice hourly rate with little long term risk and a nice, relaxing way to spend the evenings.

Problem is, I feel the need to tangle with the top players sitting in the big PP games. So far, not too bad, but a bad run of cards could result in a 20k-30k weekly downswing, which is a lot of $ and represents a lot of hard work and long hours at the smaller limits.

TSP

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So true. But I think the competitive drive to tangle with the best players is what what has allowed good high-limit players to look towards the horizon instead of settling in at 3-6 multi-tabling, where they had regularly cleaned up.

nykenny · #64 08-02-2005, 10:46 AM

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this post is really refreshing. for once someone comes asking this kind of stuff, and actually seems like he knows what he's talking about!

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Personally I'm sick to death of people who post winrates as if we can evaluate something from them, especially when its something like 3.4 BB/100 quad tabling 30/60.

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i didn't even pay attention to that part. as far as i'm concerned nobody has played NEARLY enough hands to determine their winrate. either you're winning or you're losing.

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i think u are right. additionally, i believe winrate really isn't any simple number, or any one number for that matter.

not only does it fluctuate against different competitioin, it also varies base on your own development (constant, for better or for worse) and your own mood and condition (physical and mental) and a host of other external factors.

maybe one can talk about winrate in a "snapshot" fashion, like "my win rate is 5.5bb/100 at this time, against these people when i am feeling like xyz, while i am sitting in a comfortable chair facing northeast, for only a fraction of a second." however, you will not be able to determine that number in a snapshot fashion easily.

maybe i have gone insane, from all the beats i am taking...

-Kenny

astroglide · #65 08-02-2005, 12:09 PM

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Yeah, why settle for a std. dev. of 960/100 hands when you can have one of 3200+/100 hands

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exactly. if i can make decidedly more per hour and i can always get a game, i'm happy to move up. i'm not interested in the same win rate with bigger variance just to think i'm rocky with a mouse. 40/80 is the highest limit i've played online, and unless party uncaps the table limit on the bigger games and they're actually good/popular i don't see that changing for a while. if st. louis casinos spread high limit live games i would play them occasionally for fun.

JimmyV · #66 08-02-2005, 12:39 PM

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The last two posts basically sum up my two thought processes regarding moving up. The only reason I included my winrate in the original post was to show everyone that I was running better than could be expected (a pertinent psychological fact) and that I had a sufficient bankroll. I believe both of those bits of info are important.
Tony

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The smartest paragraph in a very smart and valuable thread.

Paxosmotic · #67 08-02-2005, 12:45 PM

If the play in the games beyond 30/60 is really that much stronger, is there anything that people who frequent those limits would recommend before moving to those limits? Is there something we could be studying or learning more about that would improve our game at these limits?

rigoletto · #68 08-02-2005, 01:41 PM

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If the play in the games beyond 30/60 is really that much stronger, is there anything that people who frequent those limits would recommend before moving to those limits? Is there something we could be studying or learning more about that would improve our game at these limits?

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PAY ATTENTION! No more ABC poker and be sure you are good at shorthanded play. You need to know what your image is with the other players WITHIN THE LAST 10 HANDS. There is a lot of multilevel thinking going on and your winnings mainly come from the extra few bets you earn here and there by taking advantage of your opponents immidiate tendencies.

tonysoldier · #69 08-02-2005, 02:00 PM

Thanks, very useful info. Maybe keeping a notebook beside the computer so that I can take more detailed notes???

bicyclekick · #70 08-02-2005, 02:06 PM

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If the play in the games beyond 30/60 is really that much stronger, is there anything that people who frequent those limits would recommend before moving to those limits? Is there something we could be studying or learning more about that would improve our game at these limits?

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Go find and play in a couple tough 30/60 short games. (in other words use backwards game selection...find tables with just good players).

Get good at 5 handed and less.