AKo/A8s/T8s/KJs/QQ -- Some big hands

Nick C · #1 08-02-2005, 06:09 AM

These happen occasionally. Very recently, I've been catching them more than I deserve to:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 (poster) checks, Hero raises, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Well, okay, I guess I'm going to win the pot. But, somehow, I don't see how I'm winning much more money.

UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets (What the hell? Terrific!), Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Any reason to play that one differently? (Also, I was planning to bet if checked to on the flop. Any reason not to?)

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises (This is what I usually do when I have an overcard to go with my flush draw. Any objections?), MP2 calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

I considered going for a checkraise on the river, but I decided to try to bet/3-bet instead. Thoughts? (My decision wasn't really read-driven, so feel free to chime in.)

Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 19.16 BB

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls (Any reason to raise here? I had trouble finding one.), BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (3.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 19.16 BB

My second ever straight flush! I suppose it's pretty obvious what MP1 had.

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I wondered if there was some reason to go for a checkraise somewhere during this KJs hand that follows. (I don't checkraise enough.) But I was happy enough with the cards that kept falling.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button folds.

River: (7.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, CO 3-bets, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero caps, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Previously, CO had limped hands like JJ and limp-reraised AKs. I thought maybe a checkraise was worth a shot here on the flop. Obviously, though, I whiffed.

In retrospect, I felt like a donk: "I cap preflop and I flop top set; therefore, I check."

Turn: (6.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (9.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 15.66 BB

I know this post partly just celebrates a rush, but I'm thinking you guys might have some advice to give anyway.

mr pink · #2 08-02-2005, 06:12 AM

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I know this post partly just celebrates a rush, but I'm thinking you guys might have some advice to give anyway.

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go splash around in 5/10 6 max? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Nick C · #3 08-02-2005, 07:13 AM

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I know this post partly just celebrates a rush, but I'm thinking you guys might have some advice to give anyway.

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go splash around in 5/10 6 max? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I can't decide what to do. I do like the anonymity of full tables.

That said, I haven't heard the greatest things about 5/10 full (sthief, in particular, seems to recommend against it). And short-handed tables that are designed to be short-handed make me a little nervous. (Most of my short-handed play has taken place at 3/6 full. And I know just from that that the swings can be brutal.)

So I keep playing 3/6 full. I do have over 500 BBs for 5/10, though.

thejameser · #4 08-02-2005, 08:12 AM

i hate you.

mlb3zr · #5 08-02-2005, 09:47 AM

1. I like raising the turn. Someone might stay with a gutshot or K, and UTG+2 looks kinda dumb, posting where he did, so I can definitely see him calling you down.

4. I don't see anywhere to c/r this hand, it's way too drawy.

5. I bet this flop. You capped, but you'll still get plenty of action from KK, AA, AQ, and anyone who happens to have clubs will have to pay you off too.

toby · #6 08-02-2005, 10:04 AM

What was the button doing calling 3 cold in the last hand?

All look good with exception of QQ top set; bet the flop. NH

private joker · #7 08-02-2005, 12:48 PM

Hand 1 (AKo): I'm raising this turn, Nick. He's going to fold about never here, given the draw-heavy board. If he thinks he has outs to a straight or boat or flush, he'll call because he doesn't know he's drawing dead. You might even get 3-bet. Raising the river is good, but it also reveals you've slowplayed a monster, and very few typical players 3-bet rivers without the nuts.

Hand 2 (A8s): Fine.

Hand 3 (T8s): Fine. Not necessary to raise the flop.

Hand 4 (KJs): If there's a street to checkraise, it's the river -- but I play it just like you. Betting is better.

Hand 5 (QQ): Obviously you know now that you should bet this flop. Capping PF and checking is way too suspicious. A lot of great things can happen when you bet. Also, check-raising will slow people down. If you get raised, you can start jamming or smooth-call and jam the turn. You're not worried about anyone folding, right? They'll be getting 14:1 to call your flop bet.

Nick C · #8 08-03-2005, 04:34 AM

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What was the button doing calling 3 cold in the last hand?

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He had J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. What's the problem? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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All look good with exception of QQ top set; bet the flop.

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My flop check with top set was in fact very bad.

Nick C · #9 08-03-2005, 04:42 AM

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Hand 1 (AKo): I'm raising this turn, Nick. He's going to fold about never here, given the draw-heavy board. If he thinks he has outs to a straight or boat or flush, he'll call because he doesn't know he's drawing dead. You might even get 3-bet. Raising the river is good, but it also reveals you've slowplayed a monster, and very few typical players 3-bet rivers without the nuts.

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I was thinking about keeping UTG+1 in and also I was thinking that a raise at any point from me would represent a monster.

That said, UTG+1 may like his draw enough to call two cold on the turn, and if UTG+2 has trip aces, that's even better (though I'm thinking he may just call down once I raise).

To be honest, though, mostly I was just thrilled that anyone was giving me action at all.

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Hand 5 (QQ): Obviously you know now that you should bet this flop. Capping PF and checking is way too suspicious. A lot of great things can happen when you bet. Also, check-raising will slow people down. If you get raised, you can start jamming or smooth-call and jam the turn. You're not worried about anyone folding, right? They'll be getting 14:1 to call your flop bet.

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This, by the way, is exactly why my flop check with top set in the QQ hand was awful.

brettbrettr · #10 08-03-2005, 02:39 PM

Hi NIck,

Hand 1: I often raise the turn b/c player who bluff into this board on the first two streets often stop on the river.

Hand 2: I don't think you're folding out A9 and a better ace would have prob raised pre-flop.

Hand 3: I go to war with made middling flushes on this flop. The K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and likely the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] are calling anyways.

Hand 4: Nh. Against a bigger field I'd be more inclined to c/r. But not here.

Hand 5: Lead the flop. You'd do if you missed. Do it here.