KK Looking for a default play

hemstock · #1 07-30-2005, 10:56 PM

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, BB folds.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (8.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Ks (two pair, kings and nines).
MP1 has 7s Ac (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: MP1 wins 10.20 BB. 

This is happening a lot. I have no indication that the villain might have an ace since he hasn't show any aggression. Am I supposed keep thowing money in the pot? Weak aces do that many many times against big pocket pairs. What's the play here?

NateDog · #2 07-30-2005, 10:57 PM

I'd like it better if you had the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

brooklynjoe · #3 07-30-2005, 11:00 PM

I don't think how you played this is all that bad. I definitely don't think should be calling any raises. This is a bad board for you. There are many hands that beat you.

hemstock · #4 07-30-2005, 11:03 PM

Well let's suppose that there are not 4 diamonds on the board. Still, is there aany way you can suspect a weak ace by a passive player and slow down?

brooklynjoe · #5 07-30-2005, 11:27 PM

Well you did have two people cold call your raise. They have to have something. And my guess, for average party micro limit players, it's either soooted or Ace-crap.

teajay · #6 07-30-2005, 11:53 PM

Reads help here a lot. Anything at all...

Against a tight player, I check call the river. He's calling down and there are a million and one draws on that board that are complete.

Against a loose player, I play the same. He could be calling down with anything really, but it sucks when he shows a small diamond.

POKhER · #7 07-31-2005, 12:03 AM

DISCUSS THIS LOADS PEOPLE - HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME!

On this, because the 2nd 9 on the turn i check/call, check/call.

But no reads... So its tough to judge really.
I definatly check/call river - Hes calling down with something.

THEN MAKE A NOTE ON HIM.

shermn27 · #8 07-31-2005, 12:06 AM

I'd be happy that he played like a sissy and didn't get more out of you.

AngelicPenguin · #9 07-31-2005, 01:34 AM

This really isn't a KK vs weak A hand b/c it's 4 flushed. I think betting the river is fine b/c you could get a better hand to fold and it's an easy fold to a raise. The turn though, dunno...that card sucks. If you knew he called down with anything then I bet, if he's tight, then I check/call.