Why choose Limit over No-Limit?

[theben]

i play and enjoy both. i frequently play NL holdem, LHE, stud8, and limit omaha8 and a little PLO and PLO8

what i like about limit poker is that its easier. no big calls on the river or turn to make, much more simple game. the variance is also a lot lower for my game

[oreogod]

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IMO, you will find people who play limit primarily are better at NL, than exclusive NL players are at Limit. Anyone agree?

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Did you just read my post and re-word it? You crafty bastard!

Also to the ppl saying NL is a more complicated game: hahahahhahahaha. Please tell me thats a joke, god I hope so. NL is by far an easier game than limit. I mean seriously...if Limit is so easy, why is it that a ton of NL players are unable to protect their hands?

[boose_bagina]

Thanks guys for all the inciteful posts. they have seriously been a big help. I play 10/20 & 15/30 at B&M casinos, because limit is all we have here, and I actually do very well, though I attribute it to a huge donk factor. But what I'm getting at is I understand the basics. If I wanted to start playing limit online, how fundamental are the books? or can I gradually improve my game by Trial and Error (*note: I'm not really emphasizing error [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] though I'm sure it will be there) as I did with NL?..once again, thanks guys (*second note: I think I might be asking this question because I might be getting bored with NL)

Cheers [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[jman220]

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first they ussually have pot odds second you can make a correct call without pot odds.


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The very definition of whether or not a call is "correct" is whether you had the correct odds to make that call, if you have the incorrect odds, the call is incorrect. Not sure what you are trying to say here.

[bobhalford]

I find NL to be a very deep game, involving a lot of creativity. It's scary as hell too! As someone else said, there's no better rush than going all-in! After a couple live 1/2 NL sessions, I had won a bunch of cash, but concluded that the game was too damn complicated, and that I was going to focus mostly on limit. I like to play live NL, but I'm just a nut-peddler. I don't try too many daring plays. I often wonder what it's like to play the people and not the cards. After reading a post in the NL forum about "Shania," I realized that I'm not smart enough or willing enough to put the effort into learning NL cash game. I'm not saying that limit is better/worse/easier/more difficult. It's just a different game.

[pokerplayer28]

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IMO, you will find people who play limit primarily are better at NL, than exclusive NL players are at Limit. Anyone agree?

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Did you just read my post and re-word it? You crafty bastard!

Also to the ppl saying NL is a more complicated game: hahahahhahahaha. Please tell me thats a joke, god I hope so. NL is by far an easier game than limit. I mean seriously...if Limit is so easy, why is it that a ton of NL players are unable to protect their hands?

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Nl players keep saying they cant protect their hand because they cant protect their hand. If you cap preflop no folders and hold aces you cant protect your hand on the flop or turn.

as for nl cant adjust to limit as good as limit can adjust to NL its your opinion, im sure there are just as many NL players who think the exact opposite, there are also some players who think online poker is rigged.

[2ndGoat]

I find it way easier to multitable limit for long sessions. Too many "real decisions" in no limit.

I also got started at a time when not a lot of sites offered no limit hold'em.. and the books I read first mostly discussed limit as well.

[pokerplayer28]

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first they ussually have pot odds second you can make a correct call without pot odds.


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The very definition of whether or not a call is "correct" is whether you had the correct odds to make that call, if you have the incorrect odds, the call is incorrect. Not sure what you are trying to say here.

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where do you play?

[JKDStudent]

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This is wrong.

There is $100 in the pot, and on the turn it is heads up. We have the best hand, our opponent is on a flush draw that will come in less than 20% of the time. If the hand goes to showdown with no further betting, our EV is $80, opponent's is $20.

We bet $10. Opponent is getting 11:1 odds on his call. He only needs roughly 4:1, so he calls. As he should. Does this mean our bet is wrong? NO! We're still winning this 80% of the time. That means of the $20 that just went into the pot (our bet and his call), $16 of it belongs to us. The call is +EV for the flush draw because of the size of the pot, but it's MORE +EV for us.

Also, let's say you put your opponent on a flush draw in that same pot. We bet $10, he calls. The third of a suit comes on the river. We check, he bets $10. We are getting 13:1 to call. That means that we only have to have the best hand less than 8% of the time for the call to be +EV. Can you say with 92% certainty that he was on a flush draw? But in no-limit, he can bluff you off the pot much more easily.

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OMG! I am starting to understand why some people like limit if this is how they think.

$100 in the pot. If you bet $10 in the turn and he calls, then 20% of the time he will lose $10 and 80% of the time he will win $120. On average his call has a +EV of $16 (120 - 4x10)/5. Therefore you have negative EV. I hope you don't think you both have +EV.

I agree that in limit you still have to bet because even bad odds are better than infinite odds. You are effectively reducing the size of your negative EV. However, in NL, you can control the bet and give yourself a +EV situation regardless of the drawing player's actions.

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...are... are you serious? A little piece of me just died inside reading this.

There's $100 in the pot. He has a flush draw, which means he will LOSE 80% of the time. Not win. WE are making the $16 on the bet and call.

Yes, two people can have positive EV. Because of money already in the pot.

Just... wow. Wow.

[oreogod]

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IMO, you will find people who play limit primarily are better at NL, than exclusive NL players are at Limit. Anyone agree?

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Did you just read my post and re-word it? You crafty bastard!

Also to the ppl saying NL is a more complicated game: hahahahhahahaha. Please tell me thats a joke, god I hope so. NL is by far an easier game than limit. I mean seriously...if Limit is so easy, why is it that a ton of NL players are unable to protect their hands?

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Nl players keep saying they cant protect their hand because they cant protect their hand. If you cap preflop no folders and hold aces you cant protect your hand on the flop or turn.

as for nl cant adjust to limit as good as limit can adjust to NL its your opinion, im sure there are just as many NL players who think the exact opposite, there are also some players who think online poker is rigged.

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Your two paragraphs clash with each other idea wise. I hope you see why. You belive NL players cant protect their hands because, well, its just not possible to protect your hand in Limit holdem...then go onto say its just my opinion that a NL can adjust to Limit holdem just as well as a Limit player moving into NL.

Also, your first paragraph only continues to applifiy the ignorance NL players have about limit holdem and hence why most of the time (read: just about all the time), they suck at limit.

I can protect my hand. Its no big deal. Take the time to learn how to do it, you might see a difference. And why the hell do you want to push ppl off draws that come in 35 percent of the time (from the flop??) if you are a 65-70 percent favorite? You're making money on every bet that goes in.