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Old 07-28-2005, 12:01 AM
dimes dimes is offline
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Default CALL or FOLD

Online tourney, 11 players left, blinds 1500/3000 ante 200 and in the moneys.
small stack ~20,000 chips
big stack ~150,000
Hero 72,000


everyone folds to hero on the button
hero picks up AJs raises to 9,000

sb folds
bb (chip leader) goes all-in

Hero??

no read on bb except that he is not extremely aggressive.

I know many will say fold, but winning this hand will put hero in a commanding lead for winning the tourney.

comments??
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

I'm sure BB is thinking the same thing.
With ~20XBB fold.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

You got to fold this, almost surely beat.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:24 AM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

how can you say surley beat? I can see the fold from the point where you dont want to risk your tourney. But that is an ideal position for the bb to bluff.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

After thinking more and more and this hand, I decided to calculate the odds to see if the odds dedicate a call.
blinds and antes: 14,500
Hero raised 9000 plus BB's call 9000 = 23,500
BB raising all in = 83,500
60,000 for Hero to call, giving him 1.4:1 ODDS

Isnt that good enough for a call?
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

Insta-fold.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:29 PM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

At what point do the odds dedicate a call??
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:35 PM
ZBTHorton ZBTHorton is offline
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

It would have to be pretty ridiculous.

What do you think your ahead of here? Ax? Your behind any pair. I just think your behind.

I personally, don't go out there looking for ways to force me to play AJ.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:41 PM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

could it not be a stone bluff? with bb's position and chip lead he could have any two cards with the way he played it
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: CALL or FOLD

[ QUOTE ]
After thinking more and more and this hand, I decided to calculate the odds to see if the odds dedicate a call.
blinds and antes: 14,500
Hero raised 9000 plus BB's call 9000 = 23,500
BB raising all in = 83,500
60,000 for Hero to call, giving him 1.4:1 ODDS

Isnt that good enough for a call?

[/ QUOTE ]

You only just now calculated the odds?

Its a fold.
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