TT opinions please

MrBruno · #1 07-28-2005, 09:38 AM

Table is loose/passive. UTG2 has been steadily losing chips for the past 80 hands or so and seems to be on tilt from chat dialog in previous hands he's recently lost.

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, Hero ???

McGahee · #2 07-28-2005, 09:41 AM

Call, check/call the rest of the way.
Most of the time I'll either pull a stop & go or C/R a non [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] turn, but I'm really not interested in getting bluff raised/3-bet by a tilted player with this hand.

ViperGTS · #3 07-28-2005, 09:44 AM

Hard to say without knowing anything about him. If he has any clue what he's doing he has to at least like his hand a little pre-flop (having called relatively early + calling a bet back to him).

I would call, then plan to check/fold the turn UI & facing aggression (assuming he leads on the turn).

Viper GTS

2+2 Junkie · #4 07-28-2005, 09:44 AM

Call. I don't give him credit for the Q just yet. He could be on a flush draw. There are two things you can do here:
1. Lead the turn (stop n go) and see if he raises again. If so, I would fold.
2. Check the turn and see if he checks, which for the most part indicates the flush draw. Then bet the river if no [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] comes out. If he bets again after you check, I would fold UI.

Wacken · #5 07-28-2005, 09:54 AM

Personally i just limp with TT at such tables in these situations.
I'll raise TT against 1 or 2 callers before me, but not against more.
With more people in the pot, it seems to me that the chances of winning unimproved are extremely low, certainly since many will chase you to the river with just overcards. Also does none of them fold to your raise after calling first.
I play TT and lower only for trips usually on these tables with many callers.

Is that wrong ?

@bsolute_luck · #6 07-28-2005, 09:59 AM

could someone help me out why we would check/call this down (not saying it is wrong)?

how many times do we have to be up against a flush draw or Q or 7/mid pocket 88/99/bluff to make this profitable? (i hope i asked that right).

MrWookie47 · #7 07-28-2005, 10:01 AM

TT is the 5th best hand in poker. You have a very large edge against your opponents range of hands. Not raising TT preflop is pretty bad at most tables.

McGahee · #8 07-28-2005, 10:07 AM

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could someone help me out why we would check/call this down (not saying it is wrong)?

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I would never check/call it down vs. an unknown. You're right - there are a lot of draws that can beat us.
Villian is on tilt and people do some crazy stuff on tilt. I really don't want to get pushed off the best hand, and I very well may do that if I lead the turn vs. this player.

MrBruno · #9 07-28-2005, 10:19 AM

Is there any merit in raising the flop to try for a "cheap" showdown?

McGahee · #10 07-28-2005, 10:22 AM

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Is there any merit in raising the flop to try for a "cheap" showdown?

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No