88--Wait until the turn to raise?

tizim · #1 07-27-2005, 09:43 PM

Should I wait for a safe turn card or pump the flop since I have players trapped who may be drawing to undercards?

SB is a 45/15 LAG, UTG is a LAG, and MP is a TAG.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP folds, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG folds.

River: (13.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

CIncyHR · #2 07-27-2005, 11:13 PM

Hmm. I think I would raise the flop, but it cant be a bad play to just call, becuase obviously you're giving everyone the odds to chase anyway. Are you shutting down if an A or K hits?

dhaimon · #3 07-27-2005, 11:21 PM

I raise this flop every time.

jquattro · #4 07-28-2005, 12:46 AM

If you raise the flop, do you check through when the nine hits?

If not, will you check through any turn cards? Which ones?

wackjob · #5 07-28-2005, 12:54 AM

Gotta raise the flop otherwise you are giving people odds to draw to their two over cards(even a 10 9).

tizim · #6 07-28-2005, 01:39 AM

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If you raise the flop, do you check through when the nine hits?

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No way.

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If not, will you check through any turn cards? Which ones?

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If I raise the flop, I'm betting any turn if it's checked to me.

Derek in NYC · #7 07-28-2005, 01:53 AM

I think this is a reasonable time to wait until the turn to raise. He is up against 3 villains, so potentially as many as 6 overcards. If he waits for a non-ace, non-paint turn to raise, his hand will be much less vulnerable since there is only 1 card to come. I like it. The only problem with raising the turn is that if anybody 3-bets you, you're hating life. Against opponents likely to 3-bet on the turn, I'd raise the flop to define my hand earlier.

Reef · #8 07-28-2005, 02:29 AM

wasn't this in small stakes hold'em comparing raising AA overpair on flop vs. raising TT overpair?

I think waiting until the turn to pop is correct here.

tizim · #9 07-28-2005, 07:58 AM

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wasn't this in small stakes hold'em comparing raising AA overpair on flop vs. raising TT overpair?

I think waiting until the turn to pop is correct here.

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Yeah, but a big reason to raise the flop is that a lot of players will peel the flop with undercards to my 88 but fold the turn UI, so my equity on the flop is pretty high.

Wynton · #10 07-28-2005, 08:11 AM

I raise the flop. In light of the preflop action, you might well get a chance to 3-bet, and that possibility could encourage those with overcards to fold.