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Old 07-27-2005, 07:26 PM
Guthrie Guthrie is offline
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Fold. Pick a better flop to make a stand if you feel like you need to.

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Old 07-27-2005, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision w/ ATs

Not worth making a stand on such a flop with no clubs and no draws. Fold... Next hand.
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Old 07-27-2005, 08:17 PM
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Not worth making a stand on such a flop with no clubs and no draws. Fold... Next hand.

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If you were never to play another hand at the table, you should probably fold here. The problem is that you will be playing more hands and that people might see that you laydown to a simple flop bet. At an aggressive table the play would usually be to raise and re-evaluate based on what falls on 4th. Since I would value call with something like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on this flop, I would probably value call here too.

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Old 07-27-2005, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision w/ ATs

Definite fold for me here. Flop is too coordinated.
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Old 07-27-2005, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision w/ ATs

My first reaction was to raise. Then I realized that's because I've started playing 6-max, and that's what I would do in a 6-max game. I would raise and see what fell on the turn. "But this is full ring. SB is betting heads up into the pfr. Just fold and fight another day."

But then I remembered that 6-max is still poker, and a big part of it is taking advantage of more marginal situations. Those lessons are to be used in full-ring games as well.

As such, raise. If 3-bet, fold the turn without improvement. If called, see what the turn brings.
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Old 07-27-2005, 09:20 PM
J. Stew J. Stew is offline
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Default Re: Flop decision w/ ATs

If he's the extremely loose somewhat aggressive type who likes to take stabs at low card flops when he's heads up against a raise that could be overcards I'd three-bet the flop and see what he does. If he caps I'd call and fold ui on the turn to a bet. If he checks I'd bet on the turn and see if he lays. If he calls I fold the river unimproved to a bet if he leads at it. It's pretty agg. but agg. wins pots heads up. This is considering that villain is said type of player, if he's just loose somewhat agg. but doesn't take stabs just lay to the flop bet. I think this is the difference between donk agg. and selected agg. that can pick up pots.
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Old 07-28-2005, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: Flop decision w/ ATs

call or fold. raising is pissing your chips away.
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Old 07-28-2005, 06:28 AM
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Fold.

4 Clean outs if hes on flush draw? 6 outs max if hes not.

4:1 Pot odds

Sure he may hold zilch but pot is tiny anyhow.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: Flop decision w/ ATs

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Fold.

4 Clean outs if hes on flush draw? 6 outs max if hes not.

4:1 Pot odds

Sure he may hold zilch but pot is tiny anyhow.

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uh its 5.5/1

and if BB is on a FD hero is almost always ahead, though BB will have 15outs(unless he has the T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) you are a favorite if he has a matching club, a slight underdog if he has 2live cards as well

but I think he's betting stuff weaker than a FD here pretty often, so I call and look at the turn
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Old 07-28-2005, 09:26 AM
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I'd call down.
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