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#11
07-27-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
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You're wrong here I'm afraid, Durron. Pushing is a *very* viable option. There are 800 dead chips and your FE is HUGE. Also, the SB is only ~12xBB anyway so I'm not sure where you decided that the stacks were too large to consider such an option. You simply can't dismiss a push here. [/ QUOTE ] So I guess you don't like this hand then (the previous hand): PokerRoom No-limit Texas Hold'em $20+$2 (real money) Seat 1: BB ($5,390 in chips) Seat 6: Hero ($6,110 in chips) Seat 7: SB ($3,500 in chips) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. ANTES/BLINDS SB posts blind ($200), BB posts blind ($400). PRE-FLOP durron597 bets $1,000, 2 folds. ----------- or this hand (the next hand): PokerRoom No-limit Texas Hold'em $20+$2 (real money) Seat 1: Button ($3,390 in chips) Seat 6: Hero ($8,310 in chips) Seat 7: BB ($3,300 in chips) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ANTES/BLINDS Hero posts blind ($200), BB posts blind ($400). PRE-FLOP 1 fold, Hero bets $8,110 and is all-in, 1 fold. ----------- And then there's this hand, 2 hands later. The difference between this hand and the OP is the SB's stack size; above he had over 12xBB, here he's under 10. Plus it's just nice to mix up your play. Edit: also my 2nd card is much worse which makes me less inclined to play post flop (what happens if I flop a 4?) PokerRoom No-limit Texas Hold'em $20+$2 (real money Seat 1: SB ($3,590 in chips) Seat 6: Hero ($8,710 in chips) Seat 7: Button ($2,700 in chips) Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. ANTES/BLINDS SB posts blind ($200), Hero posts blind ($400). PRE-FLOP 1 fold, SB calls $200, Hero bets $8,310 and is all-in, SB folds. SHOWDOWN durron597 wins $9,110. 
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#12
07-27-2005, 01:49 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
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If he reraises you allin, I think it's an insta-call, and be happy with it. [/ QUOTE ] Of course. [ QUOTE ] Top pair in this situation is very powerful. I don't like giving away free cards here. [/ QUOTE ] The thing is, I didn't want to win 800 chips off of him. I wanted to win as much of his stack as possible. He has given me no reason to think he has any sort of pair or draw; in fact his line could not be more weak. The real question is, is it worth it to risk losing the 1200 in the pot for 800 more (that he's not guaranteed to bet) on the river? Maybe I should have checked the turn to protect my hand. But I really think we're too deep to only be going for blinds and antes. A lot of times I'll start pushfesting too early, win a bunch of B&As, then double somebody up as a big dog and lose them all.
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#14
07-27-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
i think pushing preflop is fine. you're going to get called very rarely there. you'd be risking 4.6k to win 800 - not too bad. i prefer a check though.
the flop call is fine. i would definitely bet the turn. if he bets the flop and c/r's the turn, you can fold confidently. if he calls, probably make a small vbet on a safe card. given that you checked the turn, i like a river call. no sense re-opening the betting when he's throwing away a lot of his losers.
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#16
07-27-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
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[ QUOTE ] If he reraises you allin, I think it's an insta-call [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, people don't bet then c/r without a pretty strong hand. [/ QUOTE ] Hm, you know, now that I think about this more I would probably put him on a hand like J6 with his line if he was to c/r the turn.
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#17
07-27-2005, 03:40 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
I'm no expert, but I like your line, mostly for the reasons you mention. Your line also minimizes the amount you lose if you're behind. If he is getting tricky with KQ or something, he's not going to bet too much on the river for fear of losing you.
I also agree that many players will take a shot at it on the river with any two, given how weak you seem by how you have played the hand. There's some danger in giving up the free card, but he most likely doesn't have that many outs. He *may* have the straight or flush draw, but there is no particular reason to believe that is likely.
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#18
07-27-2005, 03:58 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
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There's some danger in giving up the free card, but he most likely doesn't have that many outs. He *may* have the straight or flush draw, but there is no particular reason to believe that is likely. [/ QUOTE ] That's sort of the issue in question in my mind. The J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is one of the worst cards in the deck in my mind. Of course, I have no idea if that gave him a draw (or finished a draw the times he has like Q9), but I have no evidence that he will bluff the river if I check behind the turn so I should bet. However, Unarmed also made a very good point about checking the turn behind if he's capable of a bluff c/r. Tough decision, and I think the more cautious route is probably better given the unlikelihood of him having a draw.
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#19
07-27-2005, 04:13 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
This looks fine, but I'd bet the turn.
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#20
07-27-2005, 04:17 PM
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Re: Passively played 3 handed line check
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This looks fine, but I'd bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] You bet or check the turn depending on what % of the time you'll get C/R'd here by a hand you beat and what % of the time Villain will bluff the river. Given most random opponents are tricky LAGs I like a check.
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