Terrible Play?

[fiyah]

My friend says this was horrible, I'm not so sure, am I wrong?


#Game No : 2420123897
***** Hand History for Game 2420123897 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14237351 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Monday, July 25, 01:31:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 11124 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: Hero( $1790 )
Seat 5: pimpwithlimp ( $2600 )
Seat 6: TUXEDOKING ( $1760 )
Seat 7: ramrushk9 ( $1850 )
Trny:14237351 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ Kh 8c ]
Herois all-In [1790]
>You have options at Table 11621 Table!.
pimpwithlimp folds.
TUXEDOKING is all-In [1610]
ramrushk9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 9s, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ As ]

[morgan180]

i like it - most of the time only a very strong hand is going to call here and with 4 players it isn't very likely that one is out there. the even distribution of the stacks means that you can take advantage of someone who's but-hole has tightened up trying to cash.

[bluefeet]

nope. not horrible IMO. just unlucky [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] (...i assume)

[ChuckNorris]

I'm pretty certain it's wrong to push this from the cutoff. From the button, good push, but not from the cutoff. I need something like A8 here.

[morgan180]

I think that the CO push makes you look stronger.

[lastchance]

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I think that the CO push makes you look stronger.

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This is good, but it doesn't offset the fact that you've got an extra person who can wake up with monsters.

I think this is a marginal push, depending on opponent's call range, and only if your opponent are weak-tight should you make it.

I'd push something like 33+, A5+, KT+, something like that. K8 is just a few notches lower than what I'd like.

[morgan180]

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K8 is just a few notches lower than what I'd like.

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i agree and the FE you pick up by being a reasonable player in the CO might help a little - damn i wish i could run this ish through the sng analyzer.

its probably close - i just don't think its horrible.

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I think that the CO push makes you look stronger.

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K8 is just a few notches lower than what I'd like.

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I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one to say this.

I like the aggressive play, but K8 is an iffy push for me. I'd go for either A6+, low pocket pair or a higher kicker. Result?

[The Don]

I am going to have to disagree with everyone and say I fold here, especially in an 11 (I would fold also in a $22). I think this is a clear push if it is L8, if you are holding K10s, or if your stack is less than 1400. I think it leans a bit closer to a fold though here... the chances are a better spot will come up.

[curtains]

I would never push here. You have too many chips, your hand is weak and also gain EV by folding. I don't think it's even close. Being on the bubble with equal stacks as everyone else doesn't usually mean you should start moving allin like a kamikaze pilot.

Pushing this is really suicidal IMO. I can't emphasize enough how bad I think pushing here is. There is almost no game on partypoker where you can count on the opponents to be tight enough to make this good.

Also again, please note that if you compare the EV between pushing and what you started the hand with, this is not a correct calculation as the chances of someone busting after you fold are very real.