Average saw flop percentage for the entire table

So, how about UltimateBet? Does anybody have any stats from the tables there? I have about 50 bonus dollars languishing there that I am thinking about grinding out before testing the waters at Party. Are they as tough as Stars? As soft as Party? What kinds of stats do you guys have on UB?

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Hi Jack,
Everyone is using PT and GT+ at Party and skins without issue. I wouldn't suggest emailing them about it though. I see no benefit in that, and there is a small but sometimes vocal minority of users don't like don't like their PT policy, so being low key is probably the best course.

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I went ahead and emailed party anyway, just to see what they would say about PT. I do not feel like having my account closed and having hundreds to maybe thousands at a later point lost. Here is what I recieved:

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Dear Jack

With regards to your issues, We would like to express our sincerest
apologies for the misunderstanding in our earlier email.

In response to your query, you will not be allowed to PokerTracker or
any other software that enables you to gain an unfair advantage towards
other players.

PartyPoker.com strictly forbids the use of inappropriate marketing
methods on our public forums


Stef B
poker Customer Care



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I have no clue where the inappropriate marketing statement came from, that was totally out in left field. The part about "misunderstanding" was a bit humerous, though I had asked them to clarify their position on PT and GT+, and I recieved this as a reponse:

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Thank you for contacting us.

With response to your query, you will not be able to do it , as we do
not have such option. We request you to open an account with us and
deposit a minimum of $50 into your account to play on real money tables.

Open Real Money account today and enjoy our new Real Money 'Beginners'
live tables specifically for the new real money players. These tables
are available under new tab called Beginners.

Note: Please do not disclose your password to any
individual/organization claiming to represent us. We will never ask you for the password to
your account. If you receive any email or phone call from anyone
requesting you to provide your password please report it to us immediately.

Our Customer Care Department is available 24/7 to assist you via email.

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Maruthi
Poker Customer Care


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I recieved the first email after I had responded "That made no sense."

Anyway, like I said, I am a paranoid son of a gun, and I really can't afford to lose $1,000 bucks because some overzealous administrator wakes up one morning and decides to purge all PT users and keep their money. What legal recourse would I have against an international company for doing something that may or may not violate the federal wire act?

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I still do not see how they can possibly know you use PT, unless you are doing the auto request/import hand history. If you are paranoid about that, just play a session and then request the hand histories at the end and import them manually into PT.

As far as GT+ or PokerAce, I still don't see how they can possibly know you run it. It is an overlay on your screen, it doesn't send any information off your machine. Party Poker can NOT scan your machine for running processes unless they have that capability built into their software. If it were built into their software, they would have some severe privacy issues to deal with.

I just do not think it is possible for a site to tell if you use PT or PokerAce/GT+. They CAN tell if you are using a datamining app though as they constantly access hand history/instant hand history files from the site.

Party's TOS says they reserve the right to search your machine and do screen scraping to find out what you are running. I will get you that quote...

http://www.partypoker.com/about_us/l...formation.html

Section 7 says, in part:

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You acknowledge that the Company will take measures to detect and prevent the use of such programs and AI Software using methods (including but not limited to screen scraping or reading the list of currently running programs on a player’s computer) and you agree not to use any AI Software and/or any such programs.

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[DeathDonkey]

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I am a paranoid son of a gun

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You got that right. First off, the person who emailed you is an idiot, Party poker has long worked with Pat (the developer of PT) and they have no problem with the use of PT. Second, it would be the stupidest business decision in the world to ban PT users out of the blue, its a huge percentage of their customers. Third, if some hypothetical power-hungry Party poker employee did decide to do this, they would start with the 100/200 players with 6 figures in their accounts, not you.

-DeathDonkey