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#11
07-23-2005, 06:04 PM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
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[ QUOTE ] I'm in the small blind. It's folded around to the cutoff, who raises. I don't have a great read on this player, but ... he seems like a loose-aggressive player who knows what he's doing. In any case, the button folds and I look down at 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and make it three bets ... The flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I bet out, cutoff raises, I three bet. He calls ... Turn comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], completing the rainbow. I bet, he raises, I fold. Any commentary on my line? [/ QUOTE ] I dont think the fold is a terrible fold... I would like to get to showdown as cheaply as possible and learn a little more about my opponent. Just my thought... I think you played the hand fine for the chosen line. I love the 3-bet preflop... [/ QUOTE ] Let me understand this - Why is 3 betting 77 from the SB a good play? What flop are you looking for against a LAP - only one that contains a 7 in my opinion. In addition, once you take a shot on the flop and get played with, your hand is pretty much dead. No offense, but this kind of play is what has enabled me to go from 1-2 to 20-40 in four (long or short) years. Finally, as a side thought, can a LAP really know what he is doing? 
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#12
07-24-2005, 01:11 AM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
I think the 3 bet preflop is definitely the only play preflop. First off you want to isolate and a LAP can raise with any 2 so why not put the pressure on him to make a hand. I don't have any problem with getting some bets in preflop with the best hand and also taking control of the hand.
Once the flop comes and the LAP plays back at you... you need to decide how you want to proceed and also determine what the LAP is capable of... hence my reasoning to get the end... but with the chosen line of leading again on the turn... then the fold is the correct play... It is just a matter of how you want to proceed and whether you want to get to showdown... for me early in a live session against an unknown player I want to learn his playing tendencies so I can better execute against this player later... For me that is very important b/c I play 95% of my poker live and taking advantage of my opponents is one of my biggest strengths...
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#13
07-24-2005, 09:50 PM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
OK - lets look at this another way - LAP is an unknow but is an LAP.
The way the hand was played cost our hero 4 BBs. What if... Pre flop - Call Flop - Check Call Turn - Check Call River - Check Call Total cost - 3.5 BBs If you have the best hand (or get the best hand on the river for even more BBs) you find out what the LAP plays from that position. If you do not have the best hand you lose 1/2 a BB less. Thoughts ?
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#14
07-24-2005, 11:44 PM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
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Let me understand this - Why is 3 betting 77 from the SB a good play? What flop are you looking for against a LAP - only one that contains a 7 in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Because when the raiser has KTo and the tight BB folds A3s you will be very happy when the flop comes A,5,2 and the action goes bet/fold.
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#15
07-25-2005, 02:49 AM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
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[ QUOTE ] Let me understand this - Why is 3 betting 77 from the SB a good play? What flop are you looking for against a LAP - only one that contains a 7 in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Because when the raiser has KTo and the tight BB folds A3s you will be very happy when the flop comes A,5,2 and the action goes bet/fold. [/ QUOTE ] If the BB is a tight player, would he call a raise with A3 out of position with the SB calling? If so, what if the flop comes A7Q? There are a lot of possible flops, most of which are dangerous to 77 in first position. In addition, what if instead of the BB folding, he decides to cap it knowing that the button is an LAP and having position on the new player in the SB? I just think this was not the best way to play the hand in this situation. In addition, if played the way I described in my previous post, you establish an image as a LPP (or calling station) which if you are not, will confuse the rest of the table for awhile giving you an advantage on a future hand.
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#16
07-25-2005, 12:54 PM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
"I just think this was not the best way to play the hand in this situation."
when coming in from the sb against a button openraise it's correct to almost always reraise to get the hand heads up. read hpfap for good explanation.
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#17
07-25-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
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OK - lets look at this another way - LAP is an unknow but is an LAP. The way the hand was played cost our hero 4 BBs. What if... Pre flop - Call Flop - Check Call Turn - Check Call River - Check Call Total cost - 3.5 BBs If you have the best hand (or get the best hand on the river for even more BBs) you find out what the LAP plays from that position. If you do not have the best hand you lose 1/2 a BB less. Thoughts ? [/ QUOTE ] If you play this hand at all, you must reraise. Otherwise the BB is getting 5 to 1 on his call. Playing a mid pair out of position is not a great spot. Reraise, get it headsup and take the lead.
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#18
07-25-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: 15/30 Hand at Hollywood Park
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If the BB is a tight player, would he call a raise with A3 out of position with the SB calling? If so, what if the flop comes A7Q? There are a lot of possible flops, most of which are dangerous to 77 in first position. [/ QUOTE ] You are actually making a good argument for raising. Others have already elaborated but I just wanted to comment on this one part. If you are not playing from the BB with Axs getting 5:1 closing the action from the BB vs a steal raise and a SB call you are playing too tight.
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