Would you consider this to be an insult?

[Smoothcall]

And using the 15-30 example is a very poor example to compare. If someone took that long in a 15-30 game there is nothing to gain by stalling. In a tournament there is. That is the whole point. If short stacks didn't stall in a tourney they would be at a disadvantage to the short stacks that were stalling.

And i have played with people in 15-30 games where people have taken too much time. The floorman asks them to pick up the pace or they will have to leave. Eventually they will be asked to leave if it continues. Notice you can't ask the person in the tournament to leave because she is not doing anything she is not allowed to. I would bother me much in a live game because there is nothing to gain for the person. In the tourney i would see why they were doing it, nd understand the strategy. I might not like that thye are doing because it takes too long or messes up my window of stealing enough blinds near the bubble (notice that my strategy here is to steal blinds assuming we were near the bubble, and notice she has a strategy to hang on for as long as she can, why are they any different)? But again as long as the tourney directors allow you to do it its there fault not hers.

[Jackal]

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If its within the rules then how is it silly logic. She is allowed to do it whether you like it or not. If people don't like it write to tournament directors to get the time reduced. And your example is ridiculously silly. I am allowed to take time. You cannot berate me. You can until i call a floor guy and if you don't stop your butt is gone from the tourney. Mine is not. I wonder why that is? Oh i know. One is within the rules and the other is inappropriate behavior that will get you thrown out of the tournament. Come and try chastizing me in a b&m cardroom while i'm making my decision and see how fast your out the door. While your on your way home i'll still be taking my alloted time.

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Apparently you've never played in a real tournament before then...which actually wouldn't surprise me. People make comments all the time and never get thrown out. Have you heard of a guy named...oh, i don't know...Phil Helmuth perhaps? If your made up rules to justify a silly argument actually applied he'd be thrown out of every tournament. Not to mention, he (and others like him) aren't usually making legit comments about people taking too long, it's mostly just anger at getting bad beat. So stop being so delusional as to think people get thrown out for trash talking. It is NOT against the rules just as taking too much time isn't. My point is, just because both are currently within the guidelines, doesn't make it "ok" in terms of common decency and courtesy, somthing i guess you know nothing about.

[Myrtle]

....since there is so much talk about the 'rule', I'm not sure what it was during the Main Event?

How much time had to pass before you could call for a clock on a player?

Once a clock was called in, how much time did the player have to act?

FWIW, this player was not unintelligent. If you saw her interview, she was articulate and educated. She is an attorney. Although I was not at the table, it seems hard to believe (given the excessive amount of times that she took a very long time to act) that she was unaware of what she was doing.

That being the case, the other players at the table could have done a number of things to speed it up.

I haven't heard much about what actions THEY took to remedy the situation.

Does anyone have any more direct information about this?

[MMMMMM]

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I would call the floor if someone did that in my 15-30 game. It would not be within the rules the floorperson would tell her she needs to act now or leave the casino or whatever. There is a difference in that, and in a tourney when allowed very much time to act.

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Yes but doing it EVERY HAND EVERY DECISION is completely ABUSING the rules. And by the way, it is abusing the players too.

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Did u completely skip by my online example where everybody stalls?

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Missed it somehow.

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I don't see the relevance of telling me what vince would do or not do. I hope your not implying we are the same person?

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I've met Vince but I've never met you (to my knowledge, anyway).

[MMMMMM]

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I might not like that thye are doing because it takes too long or messes up my window of stealing enough blinds near the bubble (notice that my strategy here is to steal blinds assuming we were near the bubble, and notice she has a strategy to hang on for as long as she can, why are they any different)? But again as long as the tourney directors allow you to do it its there fault not hers.

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I can see your point if the player is on the bubble. But that wasn't the case with her (from what I've gathered). It sounds more like she did it for day after day?

Also, not everything that is "within the rules" is necessarily "OK". And if EVERYBODY did it , it would ruin the tournament.

There's also something to be said for showing one's fellow players at the table a little common courtesy and decency. And something to be said against those who don't.

[Dan Mezick]

She's female, and you are assigning a name that says she is a kind of dog. This is not complimentary. She plays poker, so you are also suggesting she is an 'underdog' ... or a kind of bad player.

I'd say that qualifies as at least disrespectful and likely a real insult.

This event also increases the likelyhood you will find yourself at one or more tables soon, where someone exactly like her outplays you masterfully, and gets a whole lot of your chips.


http://www.fas.org/news/reference/probert/PA.HTM
Dog
Dog is slang for a promiscuous woman.

http://www.betlaspalmas.com/sportsbook_glossary_1_.html
Slang term for underdog.

[B Dids]

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WPT would be better if there were more threads about how players player and not what they looked like or what they said. The less useless threads like yours, the better.

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So, in other words, since mine was a specific commentary on how a player plays, you are in full agreement with me. Good to know.

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"Slow" is not a style of play worth discussing. You're not dumb enough to believe this answer. Playing coy is not your strong suit.

[MMMMMM]

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I'd say that qualifies as at least disrespectful and likely a real insult.

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What's far more insulting is a single player making the whole table wait as long as possible on EVERY DECISION, ALWAYS.

If the descriptions of her behavior as put forth on these forums is accurate, I'd say "H-DOG" is not nearly insulting enough.

If you and others were at her tables I'll bet you would agree.

It's bad enough when a dealer can't get out, say, 30 hands per hour. But hey, WHY NOT PLAY 5 HANDS PER HOUR? It wouldn't be the dealer's fault, then, anyway. And you could play an entire round in JUST UNDER TWO HOURS!

[Daliman]

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She's female, and you are assigning a name that says she is a kind of dog. This is not complimentary. She plays poker, so you are also suggesting she is an 'underdog' ... or a kind of bad player.

I'd say that qualifies as at least disrespectful and likely a real insult.

This event also increases the likelyhood you will find yourself at one or more tables soon, where someone exactly like her outplays you masterfully, and gets a whole lot of your chips.


http://www.fas.org/news/reference/probert/PA.HTM
Dog
Dog is slang for a promiscuous woman.

http://www.betlaspalmas.com/sportsbook_glossary_1_.html
Slang term for underdog.

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#1 Like I said, I guess E-Dog and Crime dog hate their nicknames too, and when Randy Jackson calls girls dawg, its also an insult? Perception is reality, and to you, obviosuly, a woman can't be referred to as a man would, therefore they are to be treated differently. Sounds sexist to me.

#2 The underdog thing is just silly.

#3 I have NO idea WTF you are talking about when you say "This event also increases the likelyhood you will find yourself at one or more tables soon where someone exactly like her outplays you masterfully, and gets a whole lot of your chips." How exactly would this post increase the likelyhood of that?
#4 As far as being outplayed masterfully, by "someone exactly like her", uh, no. Not happening. And not relevant.

[Smoothcall]

The point i am trying to make is there wouldn't be arule to abuse if they fixed the rule. Online MTT everybody stalls thats short and near the money. If they don't they are at a disadvantage to the ones that do. If they eliminated stalling and taking exceessive amounts fo time nobody could abuse the rule. And the good guys like me wouldn't be forced to abuse it to stay on a even keel with the ones that do abuse it. In her case at the main event i doubt many others were doing this wich makes her look worse and she probably shouldn't have done it(as far as being polite) but certainly is wiothin the rules to do so. She might have gained a few followers that dislike her. But i bet she made more money as a result(at least theoretically) by her stalling play. Eliminate the rule. Don't fault the ones that use the rules to there advantage.(i wouldn't have done it because noone else was doing it and wouldn't want to look like a jerk. but obviosly she didnt care whether she did and probably made her money).

You didn't answer my question of whether you are implying we are the same person? Saying you met him and never met me doesn't answer that question. And saying you don't know what smoothcall would do but i know vince wouldn't tolerate it implies you think we are the same person imo. No reason to share what vince would do otherwise. If i'm haviong a discussion with you about what you would do would it make sense to say yeah but i know your friend jobob would agree with me.(completely irrelevant) unless you are implying we are the same person.