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Old 07-22-2005, 11:40 AM
Sandstone Sandstone is offline
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Default Re: Second nuts.

Raise preflop.

Other than that, good hand. No way am I not going broke on that river.

I don't see how anyone can suggest just flat-calling that river. There are a large number of worse hands that will pay you off every time there (especially at 2/4). Fearing that one hand when you're only playing with 100bb stacks is just silly.
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: Second nuts.

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He was big blind and I dont think anyone is folding a flush on this board.

The villain is a pretty horrible player who could easily have called me down with a set waiting for the board to pair up.

The $70 bet on the river looked like a blocking bet to me.

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If it looks like a blocking bet then why are you raising? He will fold to your raise since this is a blocking bet! I just call the river, no nead to jeopardize the rest of your stack. I dont see him calling with a worse hand, do you?

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Old 07-22-2005, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: Second nuts.

I'm probably losing my stack here, but you have to raise this preflop.
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Old 07-22-2005, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Second nuts.

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[ QUOTE ]
He was big blind and I dont think anyone is folding a flush on this board.

The villain is a pretty horrible player who could easily have called me down with a set waiting for the board to pair up.

The $70 bet on the river looked like a blocking bet to me.

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If it looks like a blocking bet then why are you raising? He will fold to your raise since this is a blocking bet! I just call the river, no nead to jeopardize the rest of your stack. I dont see him calling with a worse hand, do you?

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people make blocking bets and then call the raise all the time, esp. with hands like sets on flush boards or low flushes.
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Old 07-22-2005, 03:32 PM
Sandstone Sandstone is offline
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Default Re: Second nuts.

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I dont see him calling with a worse hand, do you?

[/ QUOTE ] Have you ever played the 2/4 game?

Villian will almost certainly instacall with any worse flush and maybe a set.

Seriously though, this is why you should never post the results of the hand in the main post. Its done nothing but get the OP terrible results oriented advice.
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Old 07-22-2005, 03:51 PM
FoxwoodsFiend FoxwoodsFiend is offline
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Default Re: Second nuts.

I feel as though we just need to post one sticky for this forum: when you have the second nuts and only 100x BB against an opponent that's more than a nut-peddler, you go broke. it happens.
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:00 PM
JeffM JeffM is offline
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Default Re: Second nuts.

I figured someone would say this before me, but what in the hell is the point of posting this hand?! You flopped the king flush and he has the nut flush. You're gonna lose a lot of money unless the board pairs and you're good enough to slow down. This offers no interesting discussion as to strategy of mid-high stakes NL hole em.
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Old 07-22-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: Second nuts.

dont listen to these effing nits... you played it fine postflop. im thrilled to get broke here...
but PF is no goot... easyeasyeasy raise PF.
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Old 07-22-2005, 06:00 PM
Murderous Murderous is offline
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Default Re: Second nuts.

IMO, Villain played this hand perfectly. Seems Villain put Hero on a smaller flush, smaller flush-draw, or positional play and let Hero hang himself.

I prefer to make opponents pay to fill an A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] flush-draw by raising more on the flop (not that that's what happend here - just in general). You have position and your flop-RR looks to much like an overpair or draw when you are that close to the minimum raise (hence Villain's smooth call).

A push on the river is individual preference and definately not necessary. Make a note on players like this who will lead flops for pot sized bets with monsters and check call all the way. Notes like this are gold and will pay dividends in future confrontations against thinking opponents.

Pretty standard hand as most people will lose a large portion, if not all, of there stack here.

Poker happens.
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Old 07-23-2005, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: Second nuts.

If you don't go broke here you are a passive idiot... but raise preflop.

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