Value bet the river?

Quad_Damage · #1 07-21-2005, 05:27 PM

Should I have bet this river?

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Preflop: Me is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Me calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Me raises, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Me bets, MP2 calls.

River: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Me checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has 8c As (one pair, aces).
Me has 7c Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 6 BB.

clownshoes · #2 07-21-2005, 05:34 PM

yes

Quad_Damage · #3 07-21-2005, 05:36 PM

Oops.

brettbrettr · #4 07-21-2005, 05:37 PM

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Why are we raising the flop?

Quad_Damage · #5 07-21-2005, 05:44 PM

To knock the blinds out if they're holding 2 diamonds.

brettbrettr · #6 07-21-2005, 05:47 PM

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To knock the blinds out if they're holding 2 diamonds.

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Sorry, I totally missed the blinds. I think this is closer than you think. A read would say whether or not this river is a bet.

Nick C · #7 07-21-2005, 05:50 PM

It kind of depends on your read. The only worse ace you actually beat is A6. And I doubt Villain is calling with a busted flush draw or a busted broadway gutshot.

But MP2 also could have been leading the flop with a queen or a pocket pair. If it was a pocket pair, it looks like you're getting called down. If it was a queen we can't be as sure that you're getting called down (MP2 could have just been chasing trips/two pair on the turn), but it seems likely.

Hands with aces in them are popular, and I think people hesitate somewhat to bet into boards with aces on them in multiway pots without top pair or a good draw. (I'm saying I think MP2 will have an ace more often than a queen, though the fact that he started calling down so quickly instead of 3-betting or pulling a stop-n-go makes me not so sure.)

Anyway, I think the river check behind is all right. It's possible I'm letting the results influence me, though.

Nick C · #8 07-21-2005, 05:57 PM

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To knock the blinds out if they're holding 2 diamonds.

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I think the flop raise is all right, but I don't like this reason for it.

You shouldn't really expect a flush draw to fold. (And I think someone who did fold a flush draw at this point would be making a mistake.)

Quad_Damage · #9 07-21-2005, 05:57 PM

This player had been really passive during the game, so when he bet out and then called the flop raise and turn bet, I could only put him on an ace. I figured I was getting called no matter what and there were only three As I could beat (A3, A4, A6). So I thought a check was the right move.

Quad_Damage · #10 07-21-2005, 06:00 PM

I wasn't really thrilled with being 4 handed and having only a pair of aces with a bad kicker, so I thought it might be better to get it heads up and possibly hit a 7 or a backdoor flush.