Other people play good hands badly....

[zepmetal]

part $100NL 6max, basically just sat down, ihave $100, villain is utg with $130. Villain limps, I raise red aces to $4, SB calls, BB calls, Villain calls.

Flop($15): Qd 9s 8d
Villain leads for $1, I raise to $15, others fold, villain calls pretty quickly.

Turn($45): 3c
Villain thinks for a second and bets $7

Now, I know its online and you cant read faces, but you can read timing of peoples' action, and before the turn card came i had already put Villain on JT. The turn bet had me convinced, but i cant possibly fold, can I?

I call

River($59): 6c
Villain bets $15

Ill spare the suspense. I call, villain had Q9. I was basically right in the read, except I didnt know villain was bad enough to play 2 pair like its unbreakable. Anyone ever lay down this river?

[amoeba]

I call just to see what he is playing.

with such a small bet, its almost never a bluff and he likely has TPTK and thus probably overpair beat but I think the $15 is worth the info.

[ajmargarine]

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I was basically right in the read, except I didnt know villain was bad enough to play 2 pair like its unbreakable.

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???? What are you talking about. His betting is crazy weak for top two pair. $1 into a $15 pot. $7 into a $45 pot.

[poboy]

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Ill spare the suspense. I call, villain had Q9. I was basically right in the read, except I didnt know villain was bad enough to play 2 pair like its unbreakable. Anyone ever lay down this river?

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Basically right in your read? If you're convinved he has a str8 why are you calling the turn, if he actually has it you're drawing dead. No way I fold though in fact I'm probably raising because it looks so weak, maybe a TPTK type hand. The river is an auto-call getting 5:1. JMO

[iceman5]

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I call just to see what he is playing.

with such a small bet, its almost never a bluff and he likely has TPTK and thus probably overpair beat but I think the $15 is worth the info.

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How in the world would he have an overpair beat with TPTK? That would be AQ or did I misunderstand something?

[kurto]

1) If 75% of the table are regularly calling your raises, I raise more preflop.
2) If you don't know what they're playing, then calling a small bet for information is smart. But, if you know how they play, you're clearly beat.

Unless I have a read otherwise, when a person out of position bets into the preflop raiser, calls your reraise and leads out into you again... your overpair is no good.

[bweiser8311962]

A) Am I the only one who doesn't limp UTG with this crap?
B) Am I the only one who doesn't call a 4xBB raise with this crap?

[Mr. Curious]

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A) Am I the only one who doesn't limp UTG with this crap?
B) Am I the only one who doesn't call a 4xBB raise with this crap?

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Depends on how good you are post flop. A lot of big stacks will make very marginal calls with the intention of trying to dig deep into someone else's stack.

I think you played it well.

[Bob Moss]

I think you played this good (personally I like to raise bigger preflop with great hands in this soooooper loose games (and if it's not sooooooper loose, go to a different table [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img])). Anyway, flop is automatic I think, and the turn and river bets are just too small to fold. But unlike whatever everyone else seems to be saying, I think you are going to win this pot a good % of the time against typical Party donkeys.

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