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Old 07-20-2005, 12:51 AM
AngryCola AngryCola is offline
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What is all this? I raise AJo from EP every time as long as no one raised before me. After doing this 764 times this year, at limits from 2/4 to 10/20, I am up 0.12 BB per hand.

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This is a bit vague. Are you playing full ring games?
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Old 07-20-2005, 01:39 AM
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What is all this? I raise AJo from EP every time as long as no one raised before me. After doing this 764 times this year, at limits from 2/4 to 10/20, I am up 0.12 BB per hand.

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This is a bit vague. Are you playing full ring games?

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Sorry, yes. I filtered for AJo and 5, 6, or 7 off the button. It includes all open raising, raising one limper, and raising two limpers, and folding to any raises. It also includes some hands with blind posters outside the normal blind positions. It's not easy to filter for that exact situation (one limper, loose table).

I get cold called and even sometimes 3-bet by dominated hands all the time, not to mention the crap they call with from the blinds.
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Old 07-20-2005, 02:23 AM
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What is all this? I raise AJo from EP every time as long as no one raised before me. After doing this 764 times this year, at limits from 2/4 to 10/20, I am up 0.12 BB per hand.

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Everyone has to remember that when HEFAP was written all David and Mason had were statistics that they had taken by hand, intuition, and mathematical ability to decide what might be the optimal way to play hands. Same can be said of Abdul, who also ran tons of computer simulations. Today, we have a lot more information from actual play.
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:39 AM
Jordan Olsommer Jordan Olsommer is offline
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Default Re: Strange (to me) advice in HEFAP

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What is all this? I raise AJo from EP every time as long as no one raised before me. After doing this 764 times this year, at limits from 2/4 to 10/20, I am up 0.12 BB per hand.

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Everyone has to remember that when HEFAP was written all David and Mason had were statistics that they had taken by hand, intuition, and mathematical ability to decide what might be the optimal way to play hands. Same can be said of Abdul, who also ran tons of computer simulations. Today, we have a lot more information from actual play.

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So you're saying HEFAP is a bit of an anachronism?
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Old 07-20-2005, 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Strange (to me) advice in HEFAP

This is just bad advice, and it was bad advice when it was made. Now, if the hand were ATo, I think it would be correct, so AJo is clearly marginal.

There was a lot of criticism of parts of the "loose games" section's advice when the book first came out in 6/99. In particular, I recall that the book suggests that you limp with AQo unless your opponents are terrible. Well, this is just wrong, and people pointed it out in '99. I know Mason could point to caveats, but there was, at a minimum, a failure to communicate.

I think Small Stakes Hold'em achieved what the loose games section of HPFAP failed to do -- describe what hands to play in loose games and how to play them.
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Old 07-20-2005, 09:27 AM
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What is all this? I raise AJo from EP every time as long as no one raised before me. After doing this 764 times this year, at limits from 2/4 to 10/20, I am up 0.12 BB per hand.

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Everyone has to remember that when HEFAP was written all David and Mason had were statistics that they had taken by hand, intuition, and mathematical ability to decide what might be the optimal way to play hands. Same can be said of Abdul, who also ran tons of computer simulations. Today, we have a lot more information from actual play.

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So you're saying HEFAP is a bit of an anachronism?

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Umm... no, because I don't know what that means. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-20-2005, 09:29 AM
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HEFAP needs to be completely rewritten for today's games, IMO.
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Old 07-20-2005, 09:58 AM
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Folks over the microlimits at .5/1 are regularly raising with AJo UTG here.

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That is probably why they are still playing at the .5/1.

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Raising AJo UTG is still a winner at Partys 5/10 full for me.
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Old 07-20-2005, 10:17 AM
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Folks over the microlimits at .5/1 are regularly raising with AJo UTG here.

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That is probably why they are still playing at the .5/1.

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Raising AJo UTG is still a winner at Partys 5/10 full for me.

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How does this relate to playing at .5/1 tables?

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Old 07-20-2005, 10:31 AM
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Folks over the microlimits at .5/1 are regularly raising with AJo UTG here.

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That is probably why they are still playing at the .5/1.

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Raising AJo UTG is still a winner at Partys 5/10 full for me.

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How does this relate to playing at .5/1 tables?

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He implied that it was such a mistake that it would keep people from moving up. Which is clearly not the case, folding it in a game with the texture of the Party 5/10, such as a typical 20/40 B&M game would actually be a mistake.
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