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Old 07-17-2005, 06:06 PM
silencio silencio is offline
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Default KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

I know I made a horrible mistake by betting on the river.
If I would have checked, should I have folded to a bet or called ? MP1 is a rock and MP3 a fish.

I'd also like some comments on the other streets.

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.80 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (9.80 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.80 BB
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Old 07-17-2005, 06:15 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

[ QUOTE ]
I know I made a horrible mistake by betting on the river.
If I would have checked, should I have folded to a bet or called ? MP1 is a rock and MP3 a fish.

I'd also like some comments on the other streets.

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.80 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (9.80 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.80 BB

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I would fold the flop after getting 3-bet by the rock. What outs do you think you have left? I don't think villain has worse than top pair, which leaves you drawing very very thin.
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Old 07-17-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

If you're up against a true rock, I don't think you should be calling the flop 3-bet. What range of hands do you put him on? Also, why bet that turn (same considerations as why you would not call the flop 3-bet)? You can check/call the turn, thanks to picking up the OESD, but when that doesn't come through, with any confidence at all in the read, bet/call doesn't seem right. I could see bet/fold or check/call (or even check/fold, but I think that even against a rock, I would want to call the river w/TPGK).
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Old 07-17-2005, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

I have no idea what you're doing on the turn. You're most likely beat at this point. Why are you betting out? Calling the flop 3-bet is questionable. Depending on just how rockish the player is, I might fold there. Of course, keep in mind this is .05/.10 so people might be going nuts with top pair. On the turn, check/call. You now have an OESD, so you obviously can't fold here.
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Old 07-17-2005, 06:44 PM
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

Now I see that I totaly screwed that hand.
I probably shouldn't have posted it either...
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Old 07-17-2005, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

He may have been slowplaying a straight, but you have to call this getting almost 13 to 1.
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Old 07-17-2005, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

when a rock 3bets this flop, I think it's safe to assume he has QJ or a set. at best (against QJ) you've got 3 K outs + bdsd (~1 out). there's 12 sb in the pot and you have to put in 2 (3 if it's capped). at best you're getting 6:1. this isn't even close, fold.

since you didn't, do not bet into the raisers on the turn or river.
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Old 07-17-2005, 07:19 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: KQ against a rock call or fold the river.

[ QUOTE ]
Now I see that I totaly screwed that hand.
I probably shouldn't have posted it either...

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There's no real harm in posting a hand where you made an obvious mistake. Just don't post lots and lots of them.
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