JTo on the Button at a fairly loose table

ClonexxSA · #1 07-17-2005, 02:52 PM

Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.05.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Table is fairly loose, 4-6 people to the flop.

Reads :

MP2 is a little tight, and semi-aggressive. He has shown down top pair with a decent kicker a few times.

SB is fairly loose, plays a lot of hands and shows down with top pair, crappy kicker or even less then top pair sometimes.

No other reads.

I am curious how my play is. Preflop I limped due to position and the fact that its a loose table. When the flop hits and I have middle pair + a gutshot straight draw I figured it was a fairly strong hand.

When the turn hits as a blank for me, I slow down a bit but figure I have some good outs and the pot is fairly large by then.

The river is standard for hitting my trips, I was not worried about a runner runner flush in this instance.

Did I play this correctly or was the flop raise too aggressive? How would you play the turn?

silkyslim · #2 07-17-2005, 02:57 PM

I like flop raise. If your read is correct then MP2 may have a queen and gaybet the blank. The turn call is ok, you may be behind but have odds to improve. River is nice. I hope you took note of what SB CC'ed with and that MP2 folded for 1 bet. nh

cold_cash · #3 07-17-2005, 02:58 PM

I don't limp here.

I'm not crazy about the flop raise, especially if MP2 is likely to 3-bet and lead at you. The CO calling gums up the works a bit also.

The turn call is also dubious w/ that board. How many outs are you giving yourself?

ClonexxSA · #4 07-17-2005, 03:04 PM

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I like flop raise. If your read is correct then MP2 may have a queen and gaybet the blank. The turn call is ok, you may be behind but have odds to improve. River is nice. I hope you took note of what SB CC'ed with and that MP2 folded for 1 bet. nh

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Yep both are noted. I will post SBs hand later on for the curious after I get some more comments. Thank you for your comment and encouragement that I played the hand correctly.

ClonexxSA · #5 07-17-2005, 03:13 PM

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I don't limp here.

I'm not crazy about the flop raise, especially if MP2 is likely to 3-bet and lead at you. The CO calling gums up the works a bit also.

The turn call is also dubious w/ that board. How many outs are you giving yourself?

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Why not limp? It's a loose table and JTo has value in a 5 way pot.

MP2 is more of a bet first then call a raise person unless he has a monster. He would have re-raised me there only with a hand I do not want to even try to draw against. I squarely put him on a Q or some form of a straight draw from the flop so I wasn't concerned with him 3 betting me.

CO calling is nothing surprising, he has called down before with top pair crappy kicker and bottom pair. He is not a worry for me unless he raises which is rare.

Im getting 9:1 to call the turn, with fairly good implied odds if I hit my hand. I feel my 2 Js are good as are 4 9s. I also discounted and gave myself 1 out for a 10, since it was a weak out and tainted. Thats 7 outs, which is close enough to call with implied odds, or am I doing something wrong there with the math?

shadow29 · #6 07-17-2005, 03:22 PM

You're actually getting 7:1 to hit your 6 outs (I discounted your T outs pretty heavily).

I don't really have a problem with this hand. I might not raise the flop, but I think it's fine. I would like it a lot better if MP2 was unknown.

ClonexxSA · #7 07-17-2005, 03:33 PM

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You're actually getting 7:1 to hit your 6 outs (I discounted your T outs pretty heavily).

I don't really have a problem with this hand. I might not raise the flop, but I think it's fine. I would like it a lot better if MP2 was unknown.

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You are right, 7:1 was it not 9, but my gut feeling and the fact that I figured MP2 would pay me off if I hit my hand told me call. Maybe it wasn't the right call on the turn then mathematically.

Why do you like it better if I had no read on MP2?

shadow29 · #8 07-17-2005, 03:40 PM

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Why do you like it better if I had no read on MP2?

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Because our raise would induce that little punk to check to us on the turn.

ClonexxSA · #9 07-17-2005, 03:43 PM

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Why do you like it better if I had no read on MP2?

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Because our raise would induce that little punk to check to us on the turn.

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Hahaha...understood. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I had that in my mind as well, that maybe if I raised him on the flop he would check to me on the turn and if I hadn't hit, I could catch a free river card. It didn't work =P

TomBrooks · #10 07-18-2005, 09:18 AM

Call the flop

Fold the turn

River goot.