did phil ivey choke?

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I love Phil Ivey. Phil Ivey's the best. There's never been another player greater than Phil Ivey. Ivey's the man. Phil Ivey regularly plays in the BIGGEST game in the world. $10,000 buy-in isn't even one hand for the great Phil Ivey.

I think I've just properly re-stated the sentiment of half the donks on here who think he is a poker god. And don't get me started on how the lot of you make love to Paul Phillips b/c he is a pro and posts on here.

And here's some food for thought: what was Ivey doing (in 2003) calling that board with 99? We all see that he got terribly unlucky on the river, but forget he SUCKED OUT to hit his two outer on the turn. That accountant from Tennesee, I forgot his name already, just got what he deserved on that river with the Ace.

John
-KK vs. JJ, 'what are you gonna do'? Are you serious??? Jacks aren't THAT tough of a laydown.

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You sir are an idiot and obvious newcomer to the game of poker. That "accountant" you speak of is already a household name to people who only know poker based on what they watch.. its money maker.

As for the question of if Ivey choked. Think about it. Ivey is not there playing for the money, he only wants the bracelet. He can make the 7.5 mil in a week of running good in the big game. Because of this, he continued playing his usual aggressive strategy which got him to where he was, and simply ran into resistance or big hands. That's not choking, he played HIS game, that HE plays, and it can't always work out. But to say he choked is absurd, yeah... so because he was 2nd in chips and playin for FIRST (this is key) and lost it means he choked? lol.. you realize he already KNOWS himself that he coulda played conservative and made the final table? He obviously doesnt care about this and only wanted the bracelet.. ran into some big hands playing his usual aggressive style and that was that. Oh well. This doesnt change the fact of how great he is.. "omg he only got 20th in the main event with over 5600 people? He SUCKS!" Uh yeah... a bracelet and 20th place in the ME... poor ivey. If someone like neverwin or cunningham had gotten 20th people would be congradulating them on their greatness.. but since ivey is already on that plateu its considered a disappointment. People need to just realize that even the greatest players (as evident with ivey this wsop) can have things not work out every time.

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this has already been mentioned...let I remind you..mike matusow said this:
"Phil played so bad...I kept looking over there and he was in these 2 million dollar pots.."

ok...now..is that good poker?
I hear ppl keep talking about oh he's not playing for 20th, he's playing for first. So is that an excuse to go all in with JJ vs. KK with a sizable stack? You all say he's playing to win. If you PLAY SMART AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN. i guess with this thinking if he's playing to win...ok let's gamble on a 4.5 to 1 dog..this is my only chance to get first?
ppl keep saying all this crap...oh he's not playing for a top 10 finish but for first..you guys seem to not understand what the hell that means and use it as some excuse for him busting out.

Last time, i'll say this...he's good but it was an off day.

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ok...now..is that good poker?
I hear ppl keep talking about oh he's not playing for 20th, he's playing for first. So is that an excuse to go all in with JJ vs. KK with a sizable stack?

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But he didn't go all-in against KK - had he known it was KK, clearly he wouldn't have. But he went all-in against what MIGHT be KK but, in his judgment and experience, was probably 99 or AK or similar. And given his goal and past history as a reader, that was probably the least risk way to achieve his goal of building a big enough stack to shoot for #1. Note the phrase "least risk", not "no risk", because you have to take sizable risks to win the WSOP.

Also, to those who are saying he'll never have a another shot at it, I don't understand the logic. He's young and healthy, it seems, and his peers say he's already one of the best and only getting better. He'll be back, and with that same style, would be my guess.

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That was a QQx board. Only a queen or higher pair beats Ivey on the flop. If MM is betting a hand like AJ or AK, Ivey's getting a helluva lot of chips on MM contuination bets here. There's no reason for Ivey to take his hand isn't good on the flop.

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He always seems to come to the final table with the lead, just to finish 2nd or 3rd.

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He just won a bracelet a few weeks ago.

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Oh, sorry. Try this: www.dictionary.com and enter "anomoly".

Cheers!

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"No entry found for anomoly.

Did you mean anomaly?"


...and yes, his fifth WSOP bracelet in five years is quite obviously anomalous, isn't it.

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Sorry, me mis-spelling a word is also an anomaly. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Yes he's won 5 bracelets but he's probably been to the final table with the chip lead more than that, and somehow not finished 1st. Also, how many tournaments has Ivey played since his inception into the poker world? I'm sure you know it's more than 100.

It just seems to me that Ivey takes un-necessary risks before it gets to final 3. Moreso than the typical pro.

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Phil has the highest ratio of Finishing in the money vs Tournaments played of ANY living poker player.
He entered 3 events at this years WSOP including the ME. Out of the 3 events he entered; he won 1, and finished in the top 20 out of a field of over 5 thousand in the other.

Saying he doesn't win enough is like ripping Jack Nicklaus for having 19 2nd place finishes in the Majors.

He doesn't play "survival" poker. He plays an attacking aggressive style that FEEDS on people who play survival poker. He got those chips by playing that way and he wasn't going to throw it in neutral and stop attacking just to try to coast to a higher finish.

The day Ivey starts taking poker advice from Matusow, he should retire.