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Old 07-15-2005, 03:04 PM
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FWIW David, I'd rather go fishing with you than either NotReady or BossJJ.
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Old 07-15-2005, 03:12 PM
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FWIW David, I'd rather go fishing with you than either NotReady or BossJJ.

are you guys talking about poker?

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Old 07-15-2005, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: Intelligent Design

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

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Old 07-15-2005, 08:31 PM
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"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances....


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So this is 'Intelligent' design as opposed to bad design.

What is the mechanism by which sin introduces the common refractive errors (Myopia, astigmatism, hypermetropia, presbiopia etc.) [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 07-15-2005, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: Intelligent Design

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"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

Charles Darwin

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"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of Spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei ["the voice of the people = the voice of God "], as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of the theory."

Darwin goes on to describe a sequence of plausible intermediate stages between eyelessness and human eyes, giving examples from existing organisms to show that the intermediates are viable.

See: An Old, Out of Context Quotation
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Old 07-15-2005, 10:10 PM
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Default Robert Frost\'s Answer

America's great dark poet, Pobert Frost, in one of his best poems, looks at the notion of intelligent design, drawing deep from within his psyche a terrifying vision:

Design

I found a dimpled spider, fat and white,
On a white heal-all, holding up a moth
Like a white piece of rigid satin cloth--
Assorted characters of death and blight
Mixed ready to begin the morning right,
Like the ingredients of a witches' broth--
A snow-drop spider, a flower like a froth,
And dead wings carried like a paper kite.

What had that flower to do with being white,
The wayside blue and innocent heal-all?
What brought the kindred spider to that height,
Then steered the white moth thither in the night?
What but design of darkness to appall?--
If design govern in a thing so small.

Note Frost's use the sonnet form for his meditation on design and evil, and, in particular, how he uses the traditional associations of "white" with purity and innocence. Keep in mind that heal-alls are usually blue and spiders rarely white. Also, look up the etymology of the word "appall." You might also want to keep in mind what's called the "pathetic fallacy." Class dismissed.
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Old 07-16-2005, 01:20 AM
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