Does anyone else find party poker skins 10-20 difficult?

[TimM]

Some say I'm also too tight but really what's the difference between a 17.5 VPIP and a 14.5? Something like one less hand every three orbits?

June 2005:

32,004 Hands of 10-20, 4 tabling
VP$IP 14.45
VP$ISB 25.69
Folded SB to Steal 86.15
Folded BB to Steal 68.42
Att. To Steal Blinds 23.49
Won $ WSF% 35.91
BB/100 0.49
Went to SD% 32.56
Won $ at SD 56.96
PF Raise % 8.41
Aggression factors:
Flop: 2.45
Turn: 2.05
River: 1.45

I started July with a 100BB downswing in 5 days, and moved down to 5/10 full (and after 4 days I am now ahead [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). I was running bad and maybe not playing so great for most of the month - I ended June with the same amount I had after the first three days. Also, I figured that whatever I could do at 10/20 under best conditions, I could probably make the same amount dollar wise at 5/10 with half the variance. I still saw a lot of bad play by my opponents, but in general it is a much tighter game post-flop than the 5/10.

[stigmata]

I'm gonna chime in and say that your possibly too tight postflop. Your WSD is on the low end and your W$SD is at the high end. This could be stylistic, but you might be folding some winners. Worth thinking about anyhow.

Also, you do not raise enough preflop, and because it's a tight game you should be stealing more liberally to add a touch to your BB/100.

I also imagine your postflop aggression may be too low. You need to loosen up and get more aggressive, particulaly when in position I am thinking.

It's hard changing lots of things at once, especially when being "stats orientated". Your game may suffer. Just read lots of the hand posts here, and try to make adjustments on a hand-by-hand basis, rather than changing your game globally. Also, perhaps (re-)read the preflop chapter in HEPFAP or whatever.

Good luck.

[Klepton]

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There is a regular in the 30, you may know who I ma talking about that has a VPIP of like 7%.

Nigel

To the OP - yes, too tight.

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i bet into this guy every flop, it's hilarious

[Tzak]

Try to play 3-6,and find 1 good 15-30 game.

[CrazyIvan24]

TimM


Thanks for your insight, Do you play the 5-10 game now strictly? I'll do that from now on.
How many BB would and hands accumulate would one need before moving up in limits?

Ivan

[CrazyIvan24]

Tzak

What is your opinion on the 15-30s at Party?

[MaxPower]

Its fine to play too tight in games where people are going to pay you off all the time. But the good players are going to see how tight you are and they will not give you any action. They will only give you action when you are beat.

TimM, I think you are a little tighter than most, but not overly tight. Nothing really bad can happen if you loosen up a little and raise a little more, in fact something very good might happen.

CrazyIvan, you are what is known as a Rock. You are going to have to change your ways if you want to beat the 10/20 unless you find a super soft game somewhere.

[TheCodeDog]

Doesn't it seem pretty wrong to be only raising pre-flop with half of your hands when you only play 10% of them?

[TimM]

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TimM


Thanks for your insight, Do you play the 5-10 game now strictly? I'll do that from now on.
How many BB would and hands accumulate would one need before moving up in limits?

Ivan

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Yes, all 5/10 for now. I try to accumulate 500BB and at least a month of play (for me 32000 hands) before moving up. I may make the bankroll requirement even higher as I move up.

[Tzak]

I liked the 3-6 and 15-30.From what little I played 5-10,10-20,didn't care much and thought it was on the tight side.