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QTs from UTG+1
Party 20/40. 9-handed.
MP2 (pretty loose, "average" aggression) posts blind. CO posts blind. BB, if I recall correctly, didn't have awful stats. SB was unknown. I've got Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG+1 and open-limps. Folded to the posters that checks. <font color="blue">Button (36/17/1.5 after 140 hands) raises</font>. Both blinds call, I call, MP2 calls, <font color="red">CO folds</font>. 5 to the flop. 10 SB [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] SB checks, BB checks, <font color="blue">I bet</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="blue">button raises</font> and everyone calls. 5 to the turn. 10 BB [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB check, BB checks, I check, MP2 check, <font color="blue">button bets</font>, <font color="red">SB folds</font>, BB calls, I call, MP2 calls. 4 to the river. 14 BB [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] BB checks, I check, MP2 checks, <font color="blue">button bets</font>, <font color="red">BB folds</font>. |
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
I'd fold. I'd also raise preflop.
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#3
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
With 2 posters I would raise this preflop.
I can't come up with a hand that you can beat that would bet the river or would he bet 88, 99, KQs on the river again? I would probably fold the river even though the pot is big. Thanks, Guido |
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Results and my thought process
I folded. MP2 called.
Button flips over T8o and MP2 56cc. The reason I posted was because I was unsure about the preflop limp. I wasn't sure my hand was good enough for a raise, but since I believed it was good enough to play, I should try to get the posters to fold, right? On the flop, no one mentioned a check-raise instead of a bet, which I assume means it doesn't matter much. I bet since I didn't want it to get checked through. I called the turn since I figured I had odds to draw, expecting to be behind. The river... I'm curious. Couldn't he have played a pair of 9's like that up until the river, then firing out again, trying to push someone like me out? Would that be a bad play? If not, then he should be able to make the same play with KTs-JTs, and if so, don't we have a call? Even if we remove 99 from his possible holdings it would be very close. Or do the MP2 still make it a fold? Side question. Would you ever play KQhh like that? |
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
Why don't you re-raise the flop here? Decent chance of folding out MP2, which you should be looking for with a good but very vulnerable hand in a large pot. Also gives you a good idea of whether button is buying a free card or has a ten.
Good check/call on the turn. You have odds to continue, so no reason to bet and risk getting raised. I would call the river. MP2 could easily have missed a flush or straight draw. And button could certainly have 9T or TJ often enough to make it profitable in this large pot. If MP2 raises it behind you then fold - no way he's raising without at least an ace here. Oh, and the preflop limp is fine. QTs doesn't have enough equity to be raising it from early position, *especially with posters, because it's likely you'll thin the field too much*, but it's a good multiway hand, and this one's guaranteed to be multiway with all the posters. If you catch a straight or flush draw here you want them around. |
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Re: Results and my thought process
There you go - glad I didn't read this before my reply. "Button could have T9 or TJ" .. or even T8 I guess. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
Someone raises preflop late, you're in early, decent sized field, this screams for a check raise on the flop or turn.
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
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Someone raises preflop late, you're in early, decent sized field, this screams for a check raise on the flop or turn. [/ QUOTE ] Oh wow yes, I didn't realize this was raised preflop. Agreed. Might as well checkraise flop, not turn - you'd be giving gutshots 6.5 to one. Given the flop play, you agree with the check/call on the turn, right? (ala checking hands with outs) |
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
(1) raised preflop to limit the field
(2) failing to raise, check-raise on the flop to limit the field (3) given the way you played, I'd strongly consider a semi-bluff bet out on the turn to stop a free card. |
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Re: QTs from UTG+1
[ QUOTE ]
Someone raises preflop late, you're in early, decent sized field, this screams for a check raise on the flop or turn. b [/ QUOTE ] Early? Two players "in front" of me vs one player "behind" me (in relative position to the PFR). That plus the chance of it being checked through made me bet. Everyone seems to agree to a check-raise though, so I guess I have a fundamental error in my play. |
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