Interesting Situation

[Mangatang]

Speaking of new player mistakes, I've got a doozy.

After a night of some home poker (and lots of drinking) with some buddies, I talked a friend into going to the casino and playing some Hold'em. I had to explain the rules of Hold'em to him. We usually play all those stupid wild card games at home.

Anyway, we got there and we both sat down at a $4-8 table. His first or second hand, he was in a big pot and got in a raising war with one of the other players. I don't remember the cards, but I thought he must have had the nuts to keep raising as he did. When it came to the showdown, he flip over his cards and said loudly, "five of a kind". He thought his two pocket cards were wild. Ha! I remember feeling so embarrassed for him, but I think he was too drunk to care. He actually had something like two pair, and lost to a straight or flush (I don't remember).

He went through a rack in about 10 minutes, and to my knowledge has never played poker in the casino since. I don't think anyone at the table felt bad about taking his money. Funny thing, he usually does well in our home games.

[oddjob]

it's a figure of speech... an expression if you will. it's declaring that someone is out of place and in over their head (that's another figure of speach, let me know if you don't understand that one).

in this particular case, if someone has mucked 2 winning hands, after paying for a showdown, then he is saying that he has no business at the table.

sure, you may say that he's a grown up and can make his own decisions (and i agree) but i think we can all agree that there are some people who are greatly outmatched, or just not very bright.

it would be like me getting in the ring with a heavy weight boxer. i'm a grown up and if i want to box him, that's my choice... but i'll be the first to admit that i have no business being in the ring.

hope this helps

[rkiray]

Drinking can do that. Just out of curiousity, I hope neither of you drove there. I'm not trying to be a prude here. I definitely drink more than my share. I did like the story. [img]/forums/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

[Louie Landale]

You need a good slap upside the head. You Didn't raise with your practical nuts because nobody would fold??? Why on earth would you want them to fold?? Raise, take their money. But then you DID raise on the turn and GOT them to fold? Why?

Tell me, which hand is getting the right odds to outdraw your trips for one bet, but isn't getting the right odds to chase for two? The hands that may potentially fold against you may have only 1 or 2 outs. You have no particular reason to want to "narrow the field".

I may be tempted to not raise if I feared everyone would fold.

When you make a big hand your primary objective it to maximize the opponent's investment in it, not minimize that investment. Sometimes that means slow-playing, but usually not. Sometimes it means waiting for the turn to slap in a raise, usually not. You WANT to show-down your hand in a big pot, and it doesn't matter much how many players also show down with you.

But as to your actual question, I may be tempted to split a pot with the newbie if I SAW the 66 he folded.

- Louie

[CMangano]

Obviulsy you are right and I should have raised the flop, this was a bad move.

No one at the table saw his cards, as he mucked them face down after I showed my hand.

[Play Tight]

I'd take the cash and call it even for the times I mucked winners when I was first at the game. It should hopefully act as an expesive lesson for the guy as mine did.

I flopped trip 5's with two in my hand. The bettor had and A and I knew this because when we got to the turn heads up and a second ace hit the board he showed me and said "only bet if you can beat this." I was young, couldn't afford to lose the money and didn't realize what I had and said my set of 5's can't beat a set of A's and mucked face down into the pile with a table full of people explaining to me what I did. Wasn't a huge pot, wasn't a bad beat, just a stupid play.

That hand and the time I wouldn't quit betting my "nut flush" heads up unlimited betting are the two hands that made me realize that if I wanted to play this game I had to pay more attention. By the was my "nut Flush" pocket cards were hearts with diamonds on the board.

[rharless]

I just call the SB's bet since no one folds on the flop for any amount of money at this table.

If everyone is going to call then you should be raising.

I would not split this pot. Every single person who has put in a decent amt of time at a poker table has or will eventually throw away a winner. Why should his lesson be less costly than all of ours? [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[CMangano]

I know, I screwed up the flop. For some reason it never dawned on me until I wrote this up. Once I saw the words "no one is going to fold for any amount on the flop" I was like, why didn't I raise?!? Oh well, I guess we all make mistakes, at least I didn't muck the winner!