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Old 07-11-2005, 09:37 AM
theredbaron theredbaron is offline
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Default Extracting maximum value from big hand. Review please

Ok. I got pushed down a little in chips early when my QQ did not hold up against A4o push from shortstack. :-)

So, I pick up 55, a hand used to fold regularly. This time I get the set and I have action. Was my line here good? Could I have gotten more money from my opponent (in hindsight, yes, cause he rivered trips but I did not know that).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t675)
MP1 (t225)
MP2 (t500)
MP3 (t680)
CO (t1260)
Button (t1150)
SB (t1345)
BB (t1180)
UTG (t985)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t150) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB calls t60.

River: (t330) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t225</font>, BB calls t225.

Final Pot: t780
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:49 AM
HesseJam HesseJam is offline
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Default Re: Extracting maximum value from big hand. Review please

What's the buy-in?

You should not slow play sets on the lower buy-in levels. With 5 callers I would have raised the flop for half the flop size and if somebody had come over the top I would've gone all-in.

The turn, I might have played the same, but I am not sure what the best line is. Sometimes, I go all-in here.

The river is scary, isn't it? The check from BB would have made me nervous. I would have bet about the same amount.

Would you have called an all-in from BB?
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: Extracting maximum value from big hand. Review please

Put your opponent on a range of hands. He checks flop and bets turn, you raise turn and he calls. I feel like this play could not scream J any more obviously. So why not push river?
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: Extracting maximum value from big hand. Review please

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The river is scary, isn't it? The check from BB would have made me nervous. I would have bet about the same amount.

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You're joking, right? Another J is the best card in the deck. What do you put BB on?? QJ? No way. J5? No way. J2 *maybe* but just... no. You are almost certainly against trips here and you have a full house.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: Extracting maximum value from big hand. Review please

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Put your opponent on a range of hands. He checks flop and bets turn, you raise turn and he calls. I feel like this play could not scream J any more obviously. So why not push river?

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becasue he wants a J rag to pay him off.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:55 AM
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The turn, I might have played the same, but I am not sure what the best line is. Sometimes, I go all-in here.


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the best line is definately not pushing all in here.... You want a call. You certainly dont want to scare off a J rag.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Extracting maximum value from big hand. Review please

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the best line is definately not pushing all in here.... You want a call. You certainly dont want to scare off a J rag.

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Would YOU fold J-rag here to a push?

Edit: note Hero should raise more on the turn (just a touch more, like 120) so that the pot is larger on the river.
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:00 AM
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the best line is definately not pushing all in here.... You want a call. You certainly dont want to scare off a J rag.

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Would YOU fold J-rag here to a push?

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I would fold it without a second thought
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:01 AM
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I would fold it without a second thought

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Do you make money playing poker?
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:05 AM
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Do you make money playing poker?

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Why is folding 1 pair with a rag kicker in a tiny pot with the blinds so small so hard to believe?
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