ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED

[bdohaney]

Here are my thoughts on the subject, and most of it has been said by one person or another. I, personally am not sure of whether or not online poker is rigged. I am not one of the proponents who rant on how it has to be rigged, but those of them who are coherent, make one or two valid points.

1.) These online casinos are grossly under-regulated. They don't operate in the US, likely because they don't want to be regulated. There should be nothing illegal about them operating from Nevada, and falling under the NGC... But, as far as I know, NOT ONE site falls under their tight jurisdiction. Major corporations that fall under a GREAT DEAL of regulation cheat on a regular basis, so... Why shouldn't these online sites cheat (still a slight fallacy, but bear with me)?

2.) There certainly can be a preponderance of bad beats online. BUT... This could just as easily be explained to being due to seeing a great deal more hands, with players who are a great deal more Aggressive and Loose.

The biggest problem people have proving their argument that online poker MAY (not must be) rigged is that they are not properly thinking through their arguments, and as such, their arguments end up being largely fallacious (some posters more than others.) Personally? I tried online poker for a bit. Didn't work out for me so much, so I am done with it (unless a site does come up that IS properly regulated.) While I am not insisting that it is rigged, I accept that it is a possibility. But, at the same time, I accept the possibility and responsibility that I could have possibly not been able to adjust to the looser, more aggressive, less skilled online poker. So, I am sticking with playing live, where "I" am comfortable playing.

[jman220]

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These online casinos are grossly under-regulated. They don't operate in the US, likely because they don't want to be regulated. There should be nothing illegal about them operating from Nevada, and falling under the NGC...

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This is incorrect.

[bdohaney]

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These online casinos are grossly under-regulated. They don't operate in the US, likely because they don't want to be regulated. There should be nothing illegal about them operating from Nevada, and falling under the NGC...

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This is incorrect.

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Thank you. I stand corrected. That being said, perhaps in that some fault lies. If the goverment were smart about it, they would legalize servers being ran in the US on a REGULATED basis, and then make their taxes off of it, as they do other US regulated gambling enterprises.

[RedManPlus]

Well said, bdohaney.

The shills are gonna sh*t themselves.
Don't you know that cheating is IMPOSSIBLE?

Also...
It's very difficult to get unbiased information...
About the state of US Gambling Laws regarding online casinos.

Industry magazine such as CardPlayer...
Constantly misrepresent the facts and trivialize the issue.

Here is a link to CardPlayer shilling...
And a response point by point.

US Gambling Laws Discussion

Hey...
I'm pro online gambling...
But not at great social cost...
But not at the expense of the truth.

Remember...
For every Poker Pro strutting his stuff on TV...
There are 100 broken down losers and families.
It's a zero sum game.

rm+

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[Easy E]

They have to do regular maintenance, dontcha know... you didn't think those crashes were accidently, did you?

Also, they skim 0.001% off of everyone's account while they are "maintaining"

[devilsshadow]

[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Wow...I'm not sure what to think about the folk who buy stockman's conclusion. At any rate, my personal opinion on this matter is as such: stockman is suffering from one of poker's oldest and deadliest diseases: TooMuchEgoItis

Granted, I don't have a whole lot of experience playing poker yet; however, if I have learned anything in my six month tenure, it is that experience can be very misleading.

When I first started playing, it was on common sense, or, so I though; and, I lost, a lot. I then read Larry Phillips, "The Tao of Poker," which I would suggest for any beginner as well as more experienced players looking for a good read and reminder of some of the most basic and important fundamentals in poker. After reading Phillips' piece, I began winning consistently; then, I ran into that deadly disease: TooMuchEgoItis

I began playing above my bankroll and lost my bankroll, online. Ironically, in much the same way that stockman describes - a few, and only few, really horrid beats in high stakes ring games - the most memorable (and the one beat that solidified my now winning formula and attitude -attitude being the most important part of the equation) - I lost a quarter of my bankroll on one hand - of course, that hand started with AA...and, after putting the lead bettor on a pair of tens with a flop of 2s-6c-10c following his gutless bet, I moved all in on the flop over the top of him with my overpair -THE CORRECT CALL NO LESS- after two minutes of deliberation...our spineless, not so bright, yet lucky villian called my all in with only 10s-Jc....the man has 2 outs with the tens and quite a few for the runner runner flush draw....well there would be no runner runner flush draw, but you know what did come? How about the 10 of diamonds AND the 10 of hearts for a runner runner QUAD DRAW to slam me into the twilight zone where I nearly puked.

BUT, the VALUABLE LESSON to be learned from that hand (and, regardless of what happens to you in life, no matter how bad it is, the least you MUST do is LEARN FROM IT); the VALUABLE LESSON, was simply a very stark reminder that, in poker, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. Go ahead, ask the REAL pros, not the grind it out wanna-be's like stockman, THE REAL PROS; and, they will concur, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, and will happen at some point. That doesn't mean you're a bad player, it doesn't mean you're a good player; it simply means what simply cannot be denied - THERE ARE BILLIONS OF VERY REAL MATHEMATICAL POSSIBILITIES ON EVERY HAND, get used to it and get over it.

My story continues...

After the beat, I decided to mellow out for two weeks; I went out and picked up both Super System II along with Helmuth's new book; and, well, contrary to stockman's schizophrenic paranoid delusions, have been winning CONSISTENTLY, ONLINE, ever since. Granted, my high stakes and Doyle Brunson's high stakes are two different things at this point (until WSOP 2006 at least [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) BUT, the point is that players DO AND CAN WIN CONSISTENTLY ONLINE so long as they stick to the fundamentals and avoid the ever damaging and entirely FALSE belief that they cannot lose and/or are GOD...

Proof? Well....check out Jetsetpoker.com - unless I'm mistaken (correct me if I am) - Jetset is the only online site that ranks all of it's members based on their performance....Yearly, Monthly, and Weekly Tournament Leaderboard standings are there for your personal pleasure to see EXACTLY how you measure up against your opponents over the long run.

But hell, I'm sure my buddy over on Jetset, Dahmsy, currently number one on the yearly leaderboard, would gladly tell you that stockman is correct and that he finishes #1 every other month due to the fact he's lucky as hell - or, he might tell you that jetset likes him a lot - or, he might tell you that he's a shill -

or - he'd tell you stockman is full of fecal matter.

Peace, Good Luck, and Level Heads,


Sean

[King_Striker]

oh for f***s sake have you nothing better to do with your life. get a hobby. get a girlfriend. get a boyfriend. get both. let the wife watch. watch tv. go outside. get a friend. get therapy. JUST STOP WHINGING.

Thank you.

[Offsprung]

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They use special cheat softwares with which they know everyone's cards and can control what cards will come out next.

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And only you are clever enough to see through their dark ways and counter them by... continuing to play with no advantage.

[King_Striker]