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Old 07-08-2005, 05:06 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: 50+5 party. Trips on the turn with bad kicker.

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I open check here almost 100% of the time.

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ew, really? i think villain's most likely hand when he calls the flop is some kind of draw, so why give it to him for free?

i think betting and folding to a push is best. (but i'd definitely throw something).
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Old 07-08-2005, 05:08 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: 50+5 party. Trips on the turn with bad kicker.

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Anyone else? This seems to be a tough situation that comes up a lot in SNGs. In a MTT, this might be a fold, but I'm not sure in a SNG.

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my understanding is that you have this backwards. doubling up early in a mtt is about equal to doubling your equity (or so i hear), where doubling up in a stt is not.
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Old 07-08-2005, 05:46 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: 50+5 party. Trips on the turn with bad kicker.

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I open check here almost 100% of the time.

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ew, really? i think villain's most likely hand when he calls the flop is some kind of draw, so why give it to him for free?

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Ahh, but you see, draws love betting this turn.
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Old 07-08-2005, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: 50+5 party. Trips on the turn with bad kicker.

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I open check here almost 100% of the time.

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ew, really? i think villain's most likely hand when he calls the flop is some kind of draw, so why give it to him for free?

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Ahh, but you see, draws love betting this turn.

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so your plan is to c/r a-i? i'm skeptical that draws will usually bet here.
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Old 07-08-2005, 06:23 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: 50+5 party. Trips on the turn with bad kicker.

In my experience they'll bet here a lot (so will a complete bluff, for that matter) although that may not be true lower down. What I'll do depends on the bet size. I'm reasonably likely to check/call down or CR; it depends.

Two things that matter a fair bit are that a flush only has 7 outs and that your kicker is good enough so that there's some chance you're also beating a T.
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Old 07-08-2005, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: 50+5 party. Trips on the turn with bad kicker.

There are a few reasons I think it might be a fold in a MTT, but it's more marginal in a SNG. IN a SNG, one double-up helps a lot, but in a MTT I don't want to gamble as much early. Also, the blinds go up much faster in SNGs, so you can't wait as long for a great situation, you need to gamble more.
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