NL100 Hand: Fold bottom set here?

HoldEmKillah · #1 07-08-2005, 02:33 PM

No particular read except the villian is loose (VP$P = 56%) yet not very aggressive (PFR = 4%, AF=2). Villian's read on me could be that I can be a bit laggy, raising often and stealing quite a few pots

Do I dump my bottom set here? Laying down a set on a dry board like this is very difficult for me. Am I behind and if not, what hands am I ahead of here and why? I felt sick when he played his stange c/r on me on the turn. After all, he would have no reason to think I would bet the turn since I checked the flop. In my mind he either has a monster or is bluffing, thinking I'm trying to steal it on the button.

Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

SB ($102)
BB ($216.85)
UTG ($408.38)
MP ($67.9)
Hero ($125.81)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($9.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6, UTG raises to $15, Hero calls $9, BB folds.

River: ($45.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $40,

Results in white below: 
Hero calls $40.
Final Pot: $125.50
UTG has Jd Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has 3c 3d (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: UTG wins $125.50. [/color

swolfe · #2 07-08-2005, 02:36 PM

bet the flop

HoldEmKillah · #3 07-08-2005, 02:43 PM

We could start another fifty threads about not slowplaying sets. I understand why many would advocate betting this flop but regardless, I don't mind not giving a free one here on a rainbow board when the only way my opponent will make a straight on the turn is if a 6 or a 10 falls and someone is holding 4 5 or 8 9. I'll take that chance here and let them catch up, hoping someone picks up 2 pair or top pair on the turn. I'm happy with my flop play and wouldn't play it any other way but to each their own. I'm confused about the next 2 streets and weather or not my set is any good.

Thoughts on the turn and river anyone?

Maulik · #4 07-08-2005, 02:50 PM

I will stack my lower set every time. More importantly on a drawless board against a VP$IP 56%, all the more reason to pay him off.

amoeba · #5 07-08-2005, 02:54 PM

against a typical loose passive, i think you played it fine.

Sephus · #6 07-08-2005, 03:00 PM

folding the river is out of the question.

Finite_Risk · #7 07-08-2005, 03:22 PM

AA would likely play this the same way - I think you have to get stacked here

subzero · #8 07-08-2005, 03:29 PM

The whole reason for calling a preflop raise with 33 is to flop a set (and you did). I'd need to have a really strong read to lay this one down. Betting the flop might help to define your hand for the turn and river. Without any reads, I probably would've pushed on the turn or river. I'm okay with losing to an overset, but I'd be pretty upset if I folded, only to have top pair or two-pair shown to me.

HoldEmKillah · #9 07-08-2005, 03:36 PM

Those of you are saying they would get stacked here: are you saying you would RAISE this river? Seriously?

amoeba · #10 07-08-2005, 03:48 PM

thats what they are saying.

I think turn checkraise is quite suspicious thus on river I suspect either monster or pure bluff thus I call and not raise.