A deer in headlights

[PokerBob]

betbetbet/callcallcall

[SA125]

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Would you check with AK as well? Hero's equity edge against a random limper is excellent.

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It's hard to argue about getting your money in with an edge in pf equity, but wonder whether it should be applied in all situations.

How you have to play a hand HU OOP to win it may be much different than having to play and win it with position multi-way. It's sometimes easier to win out of the BB with nothing against an EP limper not having represented a big hand pf.

That's not to say you never raise with it, just not auto raising it. And not just for meta-game either. Just simply how you'll have to play the hand to win it. I'm not talking about AA-JJ. I'd raise those hands in that spot everytime.

I may be wrong, I don't know, but think it makes some sense.

[Poldi]

I think you MUST bet here. Villain did nothing but call so far, so there is no point to give him any credit beating you now. If he raises, I call without a read.

[joker122]

i don't understand why we would call a river raise. are we basically hoping for a pure bluff? otherwise, i don't see him value raising a hand worse than hero's hand.

[PokerBob]

For bluff and metagame considerations.

[mtdoak]

Your betting here is for value. He's going to call with alot worse hands. Your calling here because if you are raised, you are getting 8-1 on your call, which means you only have to be ahead 12.5% of the time for your call to be profitable.

[obithrawn]

Echoing "bet and call a raise" sentiments.

[MAxx]

not read a response.....bc this seems pretty straightforward to me.

Easy river value bet.

Villain is unknown and he raises river... I fold. If I have a line on someone this answer can become easy bet/call with this guy heads up.

[JrJordan]

I think a river bet is mandatory here. The bigger question is whether to call a raise. Against a complete unknown I call even if it might be slightly -EV, for read purposes. It's a drawless board and if he's been calling down with a sole overcard then I'd really like to know that for future value betting purposes.

The second scenario doesn't change my thinking on the line I take too much vs. an unknown. You're out of position and an unknown CC's, we just don't know what that CC means yet.