comments on this fold...

Leo Bello · #1 07-06-2005, 02:23 AM

I would like some view on this hand. After the all-in on turn was called i felt I would be beaten by many hands (overpair, twopair, hidden set) that I decided to fold. I was ready to call the initial bettor cause he was trying to steal many pots.
In the end I was relieved cause i would have lost anyway to the suckout on river. But I would like to knwo if the fold was correct, or I a call would be justified here.

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saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($49.15)
MP2 ($118)
CO ($61)
Button ($37.40)
Hero ($99.70)
BB ($80)
UTG ($51.70)
UTG+1 ($67)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $12, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $12, Button folds, Hero calls $12, BB folds.

Turn: ($48) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $53 (All-In), MP2 calls $53, Hero folds.

River: ($154) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $154

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Th Qc (two pair, tens and sevens).
MP2 has 9d 7h (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: MP2 wins $154.

boxedIn · #2 07-06-2005, 02:47 AM

Without a line on UTG+1 as a semi-maniac (which it appears he is) and MP as a serious calling station (which it appears he is), I think the fold's good. Too many people will be limping with high PPs or 77 to warrant calling off your entire stack.

And even if they are it appears, you'll probably find better spots to take their money than right here with a weak top pair out of position against two players oozing strength.

Don't berate yourself; the fold was good.

xorbie · #3 07-06-2005, 02:51 AM

Bet the flop or check raise and fold to a 3-bet.

Leo Bello · #4 07-06-2005, 03:03 AM

I had some PT stats and previous encounters iwth original bettor. He is a very unstable player, sometimes playing very tight passive and sometimes acting liek a maniac at tables. No read on second player. And I had to second tought this hand. The lack of reads plus the weak holding I had (only top pair) made me fold. Second calling this all-in agaisnt someone who had me covered, seemed not to be a good option.

xorbie · #5 07-06-2005, 03:11 AM

TPTK is not a "weak holding". On this board, with this action, it's a pretty good holding. The problem is that you made it looks like you had a draw, and so you were played against accordingly. Check calling is fine against someone who you feel will play a potsize you are comfortable with, which seems to clearly not be the case here. Given your read on initial bettor, I like a check raise even more.

bweiser8311962 · #6 07-06-2005, 04:59 AM

I think you're behind more often than not. Top pair isn't a hand I'm looking to put all my chips in the middle with too often, though most will. I think you can find a better time to bust them.