99 facing c/r

DBowling · #1 07-04-2005, 01:54 AM

New table, no reads. Didnt want the turn to get checked around especially with that card, and thought maybe SB was c/r his flush draw, i have no idea. Thoughts?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets...

irishpint · #2 07-04-2005, 02:24 AM

hmm no responses to peak at...my first guess would be 3bet the flop and try to fold out overs and take your position (if we can get everyone but SB out). might want to use the free card as well, but giving a free card to SB who might be on spades is a bad plan, so maybe betting again (but id feel like an idiot if check/raised again!). i dunno that betting the river makes sense because it looks like SB is on a flush draw and is going to fold anyway, and on the chance he has a 4 we're getting raised. and a T still beats us, so we're saving that bet when we're behind. basically, what are we going to beat that calls us that would have C/R the flop?

joker122 · #3 07-04-2005, 02:37 AM

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3bet the flop and try to fold out overs and take your position (if we can get everyone but SB out).

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this, or just call and raise a safe turn. i think i prefer 3betting though.

DBowling · #4 07-04-2005, 03:01 AM

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what are we going to beat that calls us that would have C/R the flop?

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exactly what i thought after i pressed the bet button, oops

Justin A · #5 07-04-2005, 03:23 AM

I don't raise this preflop.

Everything else looks perfect.

Womble · #6 07-04-2005, 05:10 AM

SB has a flush draw [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

marching_on_together · #7 07-04-2005, 08:26 AM

I don't like this, your BB pre-flop raise presumably was done with the aim of binding players to the pot when you hit a set on the flop, unfortunately what you often end up doing is binding yourself to it with marginal hands like here and giving correct odds for the weak players to chase there overcard draws.

If you were on the button your preflop play has some merit occasionally, the crucial difference being that it can allow you to take a free card on a A Q X flop which in the BB you have to fold when faced with a bet.

Having played it the way you did i don't think betting this flop accomplishes much your not folding many hands here and there are a lot of turn cards where your going to have to check fold. I prefer checking and seeing what develops if it's bet and raised you can fold if it's a late position bettor you can consider raising.

I don't agree with the river bet as well

Jeff W · #8 07-04-2005, 09:03 AM

I agree with Justin, except I do raise this pre flop.

Against very loose players, 99 has a lot of equity here. There are likely multiple undercards out there. I don't think 99 plays too much differently after raising than limping--devon is smart enough to check a KT2 flop.

marching_on_together · #9 07-04-2005, 11:18 AM

raising pre-flop does make it harder to win semi favourable flops like this one though as your not going to get as many people folding to a flop bet.

Admittedly raising creates a bigger pot so you don't have to win it as often to come out ahead but it looks highly debatable to me i much prefer this move on the button.

you don't have to be that smart to know checking a KT2 flop is best but the flop decision won't always be so easy (as in this hand).

I still prefer a flop check here and there are not going to be many flops which are going to be an easy bet into four players.

ipp147 · #10 07-04-2005, 12:10 PM

Hi,

The SB's check raise on the flop after all those callers is a big made hand or a draw in my opinion.

I like a 3bet here to face the rest of the field with 2 cold.

Given how you played it the turn is a definate bet following SB's check.

I think that the river is a very thin value bet against 3 opponents, I check in this spot.