150-300 turn decison

Dave Mac · #1 07-03-2005, 12:04 PM

Ultimate Bet 150/300 Hold'em (3 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

i just called, who 3 bets? I really did not want to get capped on the turn, and so i took the easy way out but was it right?
Dave

Schneids · #2 07-03-2005, 12:08 PM

3 handed I 3 bet that turn every time.

flawless_victory · #3 07-03-2005, 12:25 PM

you must not usually play this high, huh...

Robb · #4 07-03-2005, 12:28 PM

Highly opponent dependent. I say that because there are a few where a 3 bet is not a good option (at least I imagine because I don't play 150-300 short). For instance, the flop smoothcall and turn raise always means at least two pair.

But against most I would 3 bet. It's most likely a hand like A10/AJ that didn't want to lose you earlier by showing more strength on the flop.

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Also, if you are undecided you could chicken out and call the raise on the turn and lead the river.

Advantage:
1)pay no more than 2 bets (assuming you call a river raise)
2)he may flat call with a weak hand like 88 that he would have folded to the turn 3 bet

Disadvantage: a drawing hand that misses may fold the river netting you zero more bets when you are ahead

SoSo · #5 07-03-2005, 01:48 PM

for a bit of variation why not check/call the turn, then c/r the river as opposed to 3-betting the turn. I think this line would be a little different.

Mikey · #6 07-03-2005, 02:24 PM

Bet the flop.

Dave Mac · #7 07-03-2005, 02:32 PM

lol, I think it is much more complicated than that. Obviously there is a very good chance that I am ahead and he waited for the turn with AJ, AQ etc. But, the game, and that game in general is played very very fast, and most people usaully put in a bunch of bets on the flop with all the good but not huge hands. I would expect all Aces except maybe AK to 3 bet the flop. That is why I cr-ed. I was going to 4 bet a flop but I think it is much more dicy 3 betting the turn.
1) his range of non 2 pair hands is quite small
2) all the times is is bluffing or has a K I lose him.

Dave Mac · #8 07-03-2005, 02:37 PM

I don't like the river stop and go only becuase it is pretty heavly used in a lot of higher UB games and is usaully a bigger hand. So a mid. holding will fold even more to a stop and go, I think, than a turn 3 bet. And finally i don't think anyone will miss a river raise. but, maybe i am totally off.
dave

bobbyi · #9 07-03-2005, 02:44 PM

In general, if you are going to refuse to three-bet anytime it would be unpleasant to run into a cap, you are going to leave too much on the table playing three-handed because people will raise with such a wide range of hands and most of them are not of legitimate capping strength.

On the specific hand, all you have done is check-raise the flop and lead the turn, which could be any ace or a straight draw or a flush draw, so your opponent could easily call your flop raise and pop you on the turn with a decent ace (or other things). You are definitely ahead often enough to three-bet the turn.

samdash · #10 07-03-2005, 02:47 PM

Blowing him off a king on the turn would be best for your hand, yes?