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07-01-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do it?
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I used to play in a NY poker room that recently closed down. They used the same chips that you buy in the Silver Boxed cases that everyone has these days. All they did was order the chips with their name on the chip and a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] logo in gold. I always thought it would be easy to order the chips that way myself and pass them through. However, I figured my wife would find me chopped up in a dumpster with a rubber hanging out of my a$$ [/ QUOTE ] I can't confirm, but I have heard stories of people trying to do that with red chips at that room. They might be able to sneak in a few, but its really not worth the players time and trouble to sneak in more than that. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 
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#32
07-01-2005, 01:50 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do it?
You could easily counterfeit the Taj's chips in AC, but you'd have to roll them all in dirt and tar for them to look and feel realistic. You walk in there with clean chips and you're busted in under 5 seconds.
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#33
07-01-2005, 04:19 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
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I'm sure it could easily be done. But I am also certain that the chip producing companies have contracts with the casinos that they will not reproduce or share any of the other chips they make for any given casino. By the way, counterfieting a chip is counterfeiting US currency as well. Since the money you exchange for chips occurs at an even rate, ie $50 for 50 $1 chips, the casino has now cashed out money that never existed in the first place due to a counterfeit chip...just my thoughts [/ QUOTE ] Actually, that's not how it works at all. Counterfeiting U.S. currency is a federal felony investigated by the U.S. Secret Service. Of course, when Harrah's think there might be a chip counterfeiter the USSS drops everything and comes running. By your logic, anything that has a face value in US currency is illegal to reproduce and prosecuted as forgery. I can only imagine this world...
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#34
07-01-2005, 06:53 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
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it wasn't travel channel. it was the history channel. the breaking vegas series is very entertaining and informative. some schmuck from jersey studied the coins in and out for a few years. he was finally able to replicate them to precise specifications. then he got caught cause he got greedy. [/ QUOTE ] Thats the one. The episode about the gambling commission guy who sneaked his own code into slots via the very machine used to test for such alterations actually pissed me off. Not cause of the slot fix, but his keno scheme. Guy (IIRC) had access to the random seed for the keno machine, and by inputting results, could "lock into" the sequence and begin accurately predict upcoming numbers. Had a buddy place the bets for him, in AC, via radio from the room. Guy gets nervous and bails out but LEAVES THE CD WITH THE SOFTWARE IN THE ROOM. OMFG amaturish incompetence like that makes me livid. er, not that I'm an expert at such things.... just a fan of a good heist story and he ruined his by being a total dumbass. oh well.
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#35
07-01-2005, 10:29 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
RFID, talk about being able to track how much in chips you have on you. A Passive RFID tag can last for a very long time, but is considered non-secure. Given the basics of RFID, I imagine it would be easier to counterfit the RFID strip than it would be to counterfit the pokerchip and doubt that the casino would create a unique RFID tag for each poker chip, but by adding to the complexity, it would provide some additional security, none the less. Using an RFID tag, which was inserted into each person that visited the casino would be a more interesting proposition...
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#36
07-01-2005, 10:33 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do it?
If they catch you, it's not like they would take you out to the desert and shoot you....right?
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#37
07-02-2005, 12:55 AM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
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I imagine it would be easier to counterfit the RFID strip than it would be to counterfit the pokerchip and doubt that the casino would create a unique RFID tag for each poker chip, but by adding to the complexity, it would provide some additional security, none the less. [/ QUOTE ] Never know. One of the many benefits of RFID's is they can be a lot more individualized than UPC's.
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#38
07-02-2005, 09:19 AM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
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I'm sure it could easily be done. But I am also certain that the chip producing companies have contracts with the casinos that they will not reproduce or share any of the other chips they make for any given casino. By the way, counterfieting a chip is counterfeiting US currency as well. Since the money you exchange for chips occurs at an even rate, ie $50 for 50 $1 chips, the casino has now cashed out money that never existed in the first place due to a counterfeit chip...just my thoughts [/ QUOTE ] this is really strange logic. it's not money produced out of nowhere. it's money that the casino loses.
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