$11's bubble w/ t3500... lose again (6 hands)

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #1 07-01-2005, 09:33 AM

I think I will take a break from poker for a while. But 1st I want critique on last night's disaster. Usually my problem is pushing at the wrong time, in wrong position w/ wrong cards. In this game my demise was mostly from calling villains' all-ins... in addition to a bad push to seal my fate. I had read in yesterday's forum about auto calling w/ certain hands... I did as you will see

Hand 1 - read: villain is maniac, he pushed w/ J3s a few hands ago... and won

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

SB (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t1630)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, Hero raises to t75, 2 folds, CO raises to t1630 (All-In), 2 folds, BB calls t785 (All-In), UTG folds, Hero calls t725 (All-In).

Flop: (t3255) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (t3255) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t3255) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: t3255

Hand 2 - read: I am a dumb a$$... did not respect SB's raise

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

CO (t2155)
Button (t540)
SB (t800)
Hero (t2730)
UTG (t640)
MP (t1135)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t100) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB raises to t300, Hero raises to t2680 (All-In), SB calls t450 (All-In).

Turn: (t3530) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3530) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3530

Hand 3 - post flop play was obviously fine, but do you all like the pf bet w/ ATs?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

SB (t2205)
BB (t440)
UTG (t1600)
Hero (t2080)
CO (t565)
Button (t1110)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, SB calls t250, 1 fold.

Flop: (t700) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t275, Hero calls t275.

Turn: (t1250) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t475, Hero calls t475.

River: (t2200) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t800, Hero calls t800.

Final Pot: t3800

Hand 4 - This is where my calling problems start...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

MP (t860)
CO (t290)
Button (t1600)
Hero (t3930)
BB (t565)
UTG (t755)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to t290 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t240, 1 fold.

Flop: (t680) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t680) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t680) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t680

Hand 5 - Read: villain is aggressive. The forum advocated auto-calling w/ great hands... and this appeared to be a great hand in this situation... However I seem to see things in black and white... I guess the risk was greater than the reward... especially w/ two very short stacks...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

SB (t860)
BB (t680)
UTG (t1725)
Hero (t3590)
Button (t1145)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t1725 (All-In), Hero calls t1725, 3 folds.

Flop: (t3675) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3675) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3675) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3675

Hand 6 - 3xbb bet by villain, thought I could steel... but I should have though... stay away from chip leader...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

BB (t1210)
UTG (t3675)
Hero (t1865)
SB (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t500, Hero raises to t1865 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t1365.

Flop: (t3955) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3955) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3955) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3955

multifast1 · #2 07-01-2005, 10:04 AM

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Hand 3 - post flop play was obviously fine, but do you all like the pf bet w/ ATs?

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I like the pf bet considering what the BB stack was. Not to nitpick, but why the world didn't you put your last few chips all-in on the river with the absolute nuts???

adanthar · #3 07-01-2005, 10:08 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t100) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB raises to t300,

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Like you said, what do you now put him on that loses to J4o?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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Is the converter screwed up again, or did you manage to value call the nuts on the river?

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Hand 4 - This is where my calling problems start...

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Actually, that call was fine. You're getting almost 2:1 for like 8% of your stack (but next time, reraise.)

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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Calling off 12 BB PF with AQ to a UTG raise is generally a bad idea.

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Hand 6 - 3xbb bet by villain, thought I could steel...

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It's a $11. He raised UTG with a big stack, he's not folding.

liucipher · #4 07-01-2005, 10:16 AM

Hand 1: fine, particularly given the read and how little time you've invested in the tournament

Hand 2: it's not a horrendous play. i've SOMETIMES seen a minraise from a flush draw that wants you to check the turn. but in a SNG it's not worth guessing I think, so you just let the SB have the hand.

Hand 3: fine

Hand 4: i don't think this is a leak. there's 150 in the pot and 240 more to you ... you have the chips where the likely coinflip is worthwhile.

Hand 5: You should fold this ... but i call too because i overplay AQ. Villain is the one guy you dont want to be calling AQ with, since he has enough chips to cripple your chip lead. Chances are he has something stupid like 88 or TT or maybe even ATo. But I don't see much advantage to trying to guess.

Hand 6: Tilt much? I'm an advocate of raising KQ preflop, but you should fold this. You have plenty of chips, and there will be better spots.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #5 07-01-2005, 10:36 AM

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Hand 3 - post flop play was obviously fine, but do you all like the pf bet w/ ATs?

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I like the pf bet considering what the BB stack was. Not to nitpick, but why the world didn't you put your last few chips all-in on the river with the absolute nuts???

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Good question, I was just so excited I did not realize!

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #6 07-01-2005, 10:45 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t100) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB raises to t300,

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Like you said, what do you now put him on that loses to J4o?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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Is the converter screwed up again, or did you manage to value call the nuts on the river?

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Hand 4 - This is where my calling problems start...

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Actually, that call was fine. You're getting almost 2:1 for like 8% of your stack (but next time, reraise.)

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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Calling off 12 BB PF with AQ to a UTG raise is generally a bad idea.

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Hand 6 - 3xbb bet by villain, thought I could steel...

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It's a $11. He raised UTG with a big stack, he's not folding.

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J4 hand - I thought he did not believe me, and was just testing me w/ his min raise.

ATs hand - I flopped nuts. I don't think converter messed up..?

The AQ and KQ hands are similar. When and with what hands should I call someone? In the bubble most people are pushing or pot committing themselves if the don't push. In the bubble is it only correct to call if it's small % of my stack (as in 44 hand)? Otherwise I should just try and steal unentered pots (by pushing if I am one of short stacks, and 3-5xbb bets if I am a large stack... and fold to raised pots unless I have AK, QQ-AA?)

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #7 07-01-2005, 01:38 PM

hoping to get a few more responses...

microbet · #8 07-01-2005, 02:05 PM

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Hand 1 - read: villain is maniac, he pushed w/ J3s a few hands ago... and won

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

SB (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t1630)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, Hero raises to t75, 2 folds, CO raises to t1630 (All-In), 2 folds, BB calls t785 (All-In), UTG folds, Hero calls t725 (All-In).

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You are good enough to call raiser since he is crazy. BB knows raiser is crazy, so you are probably ok. Normally, I wouldn't call here though.

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Hand 2 - read: I am a dumb a$$... did not respect SB's raise

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed)converter

CO (t2155)
Button (t540)
SB (t800)
Hero (t2730)
UTG (t640)
MP (t1135)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t100) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB raises to t300, Hero raises to t2680 (All-In), SB calls t450 (All-In).

Turn: (t3530) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3530) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3530

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This was pretty insane. Most I would have bet is 100 on the flop and I wouldn't have called a raise.

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Hand 3 - post flop play was obviously fine, but do you all like the pf bet w/ ATs?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

SB (t2205)
BB (t440)
UTG (t1600)
Hero (t2080)
CO (t565)
Button (t1110)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, SB calls t250, 1 fold.

Flop: (t700) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t275, Hero calls t275.

Turn: (t1250) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t475, Hero calls t475.

River: (t2200) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t800, Hero calls t800.

Final Pot: t3800

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The preflop raise is fine. Certainly not mandatory, but fine. Raise on the river.

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Hand 4 - This is where my calling problems start...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

MP (t860)
CO (t290)
Button (t1600)
Hero (t3930)
BB (t565)
UTG (t755)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to t290 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t240, 1 fold.

Flop: (t680) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t680) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t680) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t680

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Raise to 600. You don't want BB to play.

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Hand 5 - Read: villain is aggressive. The forum advocated auto-calling w/ great hands... and this appeared to be a great hand in this situation... However I seem to see things in black and white... I guess the risk was greater than the reward... especially w/ two very short stacks...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

SB (t860)
BB (t680)
UTG (t1725)
Hero (t3590)
Button (t1145)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t1725 (All-In), Hero calls t1725, 3 folds.

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Just 'aggressive' isn't good enough. He has to be very very aggressive for this call to be good. Blinds are still low for both the pusher and for you. I think this is a pass.

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Hand 6

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I dunno. I gotta get to work. Looks marginal, you should have some kind of read to do it.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #9 07-01-2005, 02:55 PM

so w/ AQ hand, b/c I am not in danger of blinding out, it is not worth the risk, but if I was short stack w/ 5-10xBB then it might be correct to call?

lastchance · #10 07-01-2005, 03:06 PM

5x BB, I certainly think so. 10x BB, probably not.