Crosspost: Should data mining be allowed? How about poker-edge

[ohkanada]

I made the following post in the internet forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

Feel free to give your opinions and vote.

Data mining is defined at getting hand histories at tables they are not playing. Although I have done minimal data mining myself. Usually at tables when I am on waiting lists I really think programs like pokeredge are pretty scary and should be banned.

My other comments from that thread:

Yeah I have less of an issue with individual data mining. But sharing all the data in real-time is going to far. And unfortunately there is no simple way to stop this without just not allowing data mining.

I have been using pokertracker and pokerstat since they both were 1st for sale. I also use GT+ and have no particular issue with individuals using programs to look at their own data.

I have written to alerts@partypoker.com and pointed them to pokeredge website and also pointed them to a few other programs like that. I recommend others doing it as well if they think this is going to far.

Ken

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I have written to alerts@partypoker.com and pointed them to pokeredge website and also pointed them to a few other programs like that. I recommend others doing it as well if they think this is going to far.


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lame..... since party now allows the end user to do this themselves, and actually moved the hand histories locally so people can see them even if they are not sitting down at a table, I think there is no longer anything wrong with data mining. Party knows about it and allows it to exist. Case closed.

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I think the point is that the software we all use, giving us a big advantage, should be permitted, but the software others use, which might advantage them over us, should be banned. I think that's the logic and it's hard to argue with it.

[ohkanada]

Then send them an email saying that it should be allowed.

I don't think they really thought things through when they decided to log hands that are only observed. They wanted to minimize the email for hand histories but I am sure they got very little email about observed hand histories.

Ken

[Luv2DriveTT]

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Then send them an email saying that it should be allowed.

I don't think they really thought things through when they decided to log hands that are only observed. They wanted to minimize the email for hand histories but I am sure they got very little email about observed hand histories.

Ken

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Wrong. They knew exactly what they were doing, Party was consulted during development for Poker Tracker. I am 99% positive that management saw the future implications of such a database.
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[ohkanada]

"I am 99% positive that management saw the future implications of such a database."

I doubt that. And I understand that PTrack Pat was involved with them when they decided to save the hand histories to the file.

Ken

[Luv2DriveTT]

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"I am 99% positive that management saw the future implications of such a database."

I doubt that. And I understand that PTrack Pat was involved with them when they decided to save the hand histories to the file.

Ken

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Ask Pat, he would concur with me. He made the request, Party are very familiar with Poker Tracker. It was a corporate decision to allow local storage of hand histories with full knowledge of the results. What party doesn't allow are sniffers and/or screen scrapers.

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