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stud/8: how to get smoked playing split queens
i hate playing split queens in stud/8, and i always tell myself i won't get involved with them, but i invariably do... and i tend to get smoked:
7 Card Stud High-Low ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (hand converter) 3rd Street - (0.70 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls___calls Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___raises___calls Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___raises Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (15.70 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets 5th Street - (10.35 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets 6th Street - (14.35 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets River - (18.35 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___raises___calls Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___calls___calls Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___calls___calls Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises $0.35 to $4.35 and is all-in Total pot: (27.05 BB) Results: Total pot $54.10 | Rake $1 |
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Re: stud/8: how to get smoked playing split queens
As I am reading this post...
7 Card Stud High-Low ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (hand converter) 3rd Street - (0.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls 4th Street - (5.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___folds Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___folds Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___raises 5th Street - (7.40 BB) Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises $1.90 to $3.90 and is all-in 6th Street - (13.25 BB) Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___all-in River - (15.25 BB) Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___all-in Total pot: (16.25 BB) He had 34(3) to start and tripped up. I thought I was good because I had the other three. Oops. |
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Aahhhh, so this is how you play them
7 Card Stud High-Low ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (hand converter)
3rd Street - (0.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (3.80 SB) Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls 5th Street - (3.40 BB) Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls 6th Street - (5.40 BB) Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls River - (7.40 BB) Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___folds Total pot: (7.40 BB) |
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Re: stud/8: how to get smoked playing split queens
I think the initial completion is good but when the limper reraises i would just call. Lots of hands he could have that you could be behind to. On sixth you have an absolute monster draw. I'm guessing you lost to an Ace high flush or FH, but I would have played it the same besides on third.
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Re: stud/8: how to get smoked playing split queens
3rd. I fold No point playing a big pair unless it's heads up with a low hand.
4th, Remember what Sklansky said in SS1. "Well, I've never played an hand quite like that one!" Same thing, in game with smarter people you might see the low try and knock out some people. As it is, your cheapest option is to check/fold. 5th. Yucky, you might scoop/split, but everyone who is still in the pot has some connecting cards. This is going to get expensive. See also "Compounding Errors" 6th. Yeeech, 1/2 the pot is gone for sure. 7th. The raise is reasonable, but don't be surprised to be snapped off by an low yet Ace hi flush or 77's full |
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Re: stud/8: how to get smoked playing split queens
I agree that on third there wasn't much use in playing the hand. Two low cards already called the bring-in and were certainly going to call a completion. There was still a low card behind the hero, and the majority of bring-ins will call a completion with nothing. Basically, the hero would be playing a pair of queens against four potential low draws.
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