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Old 06-23-2005, 08:17 PM
ihardlyknowher ihardlyknowher is offline
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Default Re: compare a 3bet to coldcall...some discussion...

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when i saw the flop in the is hand i figured taht goign for a c/r is the best play as most would agree, but when its two bets back to me i had to take a second to think about 3betting vs coldcalling...

3 betting
Pros
-get money into the pot with favorable equity
-possibly get free card on the turn if i miss (unlikely)
Cons
-kill the action by check/3betting (seen as monster)

The action on the flop is probably done already. And if you hit your straight or get 3 players to the turn. You can pull of another c/r and trap the field again with an strong equity edge


-isolate myself against a superior hand if PFR caps and knocks everyone out

Not likely you are facing a superior hand at this point

- can't c/r if i hit draw (true or not?)

Probably true for a flush, but hitting your straight would be so much fun. Plus, you might want to c/r even if you miss(see above). And even for the flush, you will continue to get callers as the pot is so huge.


Cold calling
Pros
- can probably c/r if i hit draw trapping for more bets


Cons
- don't pump draw for value
- looks like i have a draw to anyone paying attention



anything else im not thinking of?
is this a total waste of time?
absolutely not, you are helping me increase my win rate. Thank you.


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Old 06-23-2005, 08:20 PM
thirddan thirddan is offline
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Default Re: compare a 3bet to coldcall...some discussion...

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Not likely you are facing a superior hand at this point

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yeah, jacky brought this up also, while my chances to improve may make my hand "superior" isolating myself against a "made" hands such as AK isn't great since they have position and can extract the max while i am drawing (although its not that big a deal cuz of my super draw) but i don't have the ability to punish them when i hit my draw, especially a flush becuase i am out of position and may whiff i try and c/r...
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:26 PM
ihardlyknowher ihardlyknowher is offline
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Default Re: compare a 3bet to coldcall...some discussion...

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Not likely you are facing a superior hand at this point

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yeah, jacky brought this up also, while my chances to improve may make my hand "superior" isolating myself against a "made" hands such as AK isn't great since they have position and can extract the max while i am drawing (although its not that big a deal cuz of my super draw) but i don't have the ability to punish them when i hit my draw, especially a flush becuase i am out of position and may whiff i try and c/r...

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I don't think AK (or the like) is going to cap if you 3-bet, so you are most likely getting 3 callers on your flop 3-bet. If you miss and all 15 outs are still clean, you still have an equity edge. Plus you could pick up another 5 outs by pairing on the turn. And hitting a straight and being able to c/r after the 3-bet, trapping everyone again, would be the coolest thing ever.
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