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#21
06-23-2005, 06:18 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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c/ring the flop was better because there's not too much the caller can profitably call getting 7.4:1 on fairly uncoordinated boards like this one. [/ QUOTE ] I don't consider a board with 2 broadway cards in a raised pot an uncoordinated board. 
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#22
06-23-2005, 06:37 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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[ QUOTE ] c/ring the flop was better because there's not too much the caller can profitably call getting 7.4:1 on fairly uncoordinated boards like this one. [/ QUOTE ] I don't consider a board with 2 broadway cards in a raised pot an uncoordinated board. [/ QUOTE ] Hypothetically, would you lead or check-raise a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board?
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#23
06-23-2005, 06:43 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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Button is Laggy, esp in position. BB is unknown. Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. Flop: (6.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls. Turn: (7.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. River: (16.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. Final Pot: 19.70 BB where do I find the brake in this hand? lf [/ QUOTE ] I think you found the brakes too soon. Against a LAG, I am leading the river.
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#24
06-23-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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I think you found the brakes too soon. Against a LAG, I am leading the river. [/ QUOTE ] You need to consider the BB who's been calling 3-bets on each street the whole way.
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#25
06-23-2005, 06:47 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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[ QUOTE ] I think you found the brakes too soon. Against a LAG, I am leading the river. [/ QUOTE ] You need to consider the BB who's been calling 3-bets on each street the whole way. [/ QUOTE ] You are right. I missed that the BB 3-bet the flop. I thought Hero did. That changes everything.
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#26
06-23-2005, 06:54 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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Hypothetically, would you lead or check-raise a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board? [/ QUOTE ] Depends on my reads and the table. It's also difficult for me to say because I wouldn't have limped with this hand UTG PF - and the hand plays differently if you do. I will say this - I tend to just bet out my good hands. Against an aggressive player when I've flopped a quality hand I'm generally not waiting to get bets in. If I'm going for a checkraise it would probably be on the turn - not the flop. If I'm checkraising for value I want to do it on a big bet street - checkraising the flop might kill my action on later streets. I generally use flop checkraises to eliminate players with a more marginal hand when I'm expecting the first flop bet to come from LP.
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#27
06-23-2005, 07:32 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
Crunchy - doesn't the check/call, call, raise on the flop scream trips for BB? I'm trying to improve my hand reading and this just seems like someone waiting for the turn to raise trips but saw two other guys who love their hands and thought better get in now with a raise. If this is a really strong indicator of trips then shouldn't the answer be (when to slow down) on the flop? Would appreciate your thoughts on this.
Edit - Maybe a better way to say this is - check, call two cold and then 3-bet has to be trips right?
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#28
06-23-2005, 07:34 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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Crunchy - doesn't the check/call, call, raise on the flop scream trips for BB? [/ QUOTE ] It's a possibility that I'd consider but, I'm not limiting him to only this possibility. I'm not slowing down quite yet because of this.
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#30
06-23-2005, 07:57 PM
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Re: I know I overplayed this, when do I hit the brakes?
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I fail to understand why you don't want to raise KQo preflop. The reasoning that you want more callers in makes no sense. KQo is a multiway hand? Also, hands that dominate you are going to let you know when they raise you. [/ QUOTE ] On the advice of solid posters such as yourself I now raise KQo and AJo in early position. I didn't before, based on SSHE's "tight game (3-5 players to the flop)" starting hand requirements. Why would Miller recommend limping if raising is clearly correct? Are you assuming the typical table is looser than Miller's "tight game"? These aren't rhetorical questions, I think a lot of new posters are confused about this.
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