zee's and mason's 7card stud book

[playersare]

I've been playing some 25c stud and omaha high games to round out my usual hold em whoring sessions, and I found those games beatable using just common sense poker theory (after all, it's still the same 52 card deck in the end).

I got the Roy West book cheap ($10 new, list price $25) and it's a decent beginner's read. he does really hammer down the basic skills of good starting hands and drawing to live cards. but visually it's not the most exciting read, and I certainly wouldn't have paid full price for it.

some other stud content books you could start with:
- SS1 (Chip Reese)
- Hellmuth (grain of salt...but certainly better than the HE section)
- Fred Renzey "Get The Edge At Casino Poker"
- Adams

but if you're already familiar with the writing style of other 2+2 books, I don't see why you can't just start directly with 7CSFAP.

[ThisHo]

how "advanced" do you need to be to digest 7CSfAP? I've got lots of Hold 'Em and I know "how to play" stud, but I need to learn how to win at stud... if this is my first stud book is it too much or will I be able to handle it (fyi - I've read TOP & others so I've got lots of background knowledge).

Thanks,
ThisHo

[GFunk911]

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HLSPfAP is probably one of the most overrated books in the 2+2 library. It is more conceptual than strategic, and way overpriced unless you play both games for good stakes.

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It is THE book on HL Poker. It's $30 bucks. I'll let others elaborate.

[TomBrooks]

I have only played microlimet holdem so far, but am doing well with it. I'd like to start getting into some 7Stud and Omaha. Would HLSP etc. by Zee and SCSFAP by Sklansky be good for someone like me? The are both titled "For Advanced Players." I have read most of TOP at least once.

Edit: I just realized Brunson's SS1 which I own has sections on Stud and Hi-Low. Duh. So I'll have that to read first anyway. Is that a good start for a Stud/Omaha novice?

[TheShootah]

Buy HLSPFAP and 7CSFAP. The Hi Lo Section of SS1 has no qualifier, so that doesn't do much. If you read Reese's section on Stud in SS1 and the Omaha section/Stud 8 section of SS2, you should be able to handle both of the others.

[bygmesterf]

[quoteMy point is not that the 2+2 book is bad (it's not), or that it will steer you into bad habits (it won't). What it fails to do is beat into the head of the beginning stud player certain truisms (two small pair is a trap hand, small straights are usually unprofitable, small flushes are often beaten by bigger flushes, chasing is often the correct play, etc.) that are not obvious and that can be very expensive to ignore.

jafager

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There is however one bad habit that 7CSFAP tends to encourage and that is getting overly agressive on 3rd/4th to try and get a hand heads up. Depending on the games players and structure doing this at the wrong time can range from somewhat expensive to very expensive.

[TheShootah]

7CSFAP assumes your opponents are competent. It's not written for a party 1/2 game guys, it's written for a 15/30 - 30/60 size game. Cmon...There is a discussion on how to play two small pair, and to be honest, my small straights and flush hold up enough to make them a profitable hand. What the hell would you draw to if your straights and flushes were always beat? Pair? Two pair? Cmon... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]